ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #5

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  1. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    I'm not saying I wouldn't do anything and everything LE wanted from me. I would want an attorney to advise me and prepare me for what might be coming next. And to explain the process in a way I could understand because it's likely I would be out of my mind with fear and not paying close enough attention. I did this during an assault charge (I was the victim) and was confused and completely lost. He walked me through everything and was a huge help.
     


  2. Dee10

    Dee10 Well-Known Member

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    IMO the FBI seems to bring another (higher) level of questioning & study, like say body language, statement analysis whatever else they have to root out the truth in whatever happen. If this a FBI team that specialize in child foul play or abduction (which I suspect) they would know more what to look for because of their training. I think if someone were being interviewed they maybe intimidated enough to slip up as well. I'm thrilled to hear this news.
     
  3. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I have seen cases on here with parents praising LE or the searchers, MULTIPLE times, even though nothing has been found.
     
  4. leep

    leep Active Member

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    I agree totally and respect your honesty, thank you.


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  5. Jackeee

    Jackeee Just one more thing....

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    I'm sure I heard a collective sigh of relief when we knew the FBI is now involved.

    Please find this boy whose little face I will be able to picture in my mind for a very long time.
     
  6. skinnycat

    skinnycat Active Member

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    I did't think that they hadn't been questioned, I'm even positive that they were questioned to the ability and knowledge that the local police are capable of, when was the last time this LE was dealing with a major crime such as abduction or murder. I just figure that the questioning from the FBI will be more in depth, I'm pretty sure that the FBI are more skilled in the art of interrogation,

    Maybe from the start the LE was eyeing someone that was staying on that site and he has kept the information very close to the vest, maybe LE thought he could break that person, get them to confess, that hasn't happened so he is bringing in the FBI.
     
  7. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    If he's a longhaul truck driver (I think that's what he said?) his days and hours would be irregular, and he might get called in with little notice. Based on what I've seen here and elsewhere it doesn't surprise me the rumours started quickly. Maybe they started with coworkers.

    Was it only 36 hours? I thought the interview was on the 13th.
     
  8. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Could you please quote where it states in the link that the FBI "has to be invited" to get involved? Because I read the link and did not see that. The FBI has automatic jurisdiction to investigate per the Lindbergh Law. They choose whether to investigate, whether invited or not. It is federal law that they be notified immediately.

    Also, where does it state anywhere that just now, the FBI was asked by local LE to assist? That may be the case but it also may be the case that they were asked right away but only now the FBI has determined they need to be involved.

    Again, the FBI has automatic jurisdiction and per federal law must be notified of a missing child case immediately.

    Finally, the vain and tragic hopes of a parent may not be pertinent to who or what agency gets involved in case.

    I see a lot of bashing of LE on here. If we are going to do that, at least let such bashing be backed up by precise facts.
     
  9. Jules71

    Jules71 Well-Known Member

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    My bad, 72 hours.

    ETA: I edited my previous post.

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  10. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Okay. That makes more sense. But who is "he"? Again, local LE doesn't dictate whether the FBI gets involved or not. The FBI makes that determination and they had to have been notified of this case immediately.

    I do think they are likely to get involved when asked though. But they are more likely going to get involved in interrogations or behavioral analysis when there is evidence of an abduction or foul play. Not to establish that evidence from the outset.
     
  11. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    So you think the FBI was notified or found out about it immediately but didn't get involved until now?
     
  12. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    The Sheriff might think this is a case that involves parental abduction, not stranger abduction and that his nice guy attitude toward the parents will be the way to find DeOrr. The Lindbergh Act excludes parental abductions but because the Montana border is so close the FBI needs to be involved.

    JMO
     
  13. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    The Lindbergh Act does not give the FBI automatic jurisdiction over every missing child. It specifically states that there must be evidence of INTERSTATE transport:

    18 U.S. Code ยง 1201 - Kidnapping

    (a) Whoever unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds for ransom or reward or otherwise any person, except in the case of a minor by the parent thereof, when—
    (1) the person is willfully transported in interstate or foreign commerce, regardless of whether the person was alive when transported across a State boundary, or the offender travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses the mail or any means, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce in committing or in furtherance of the commission of the offense;

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1201
     
  14. Vail

    Vail Justice for Kara & Jessica

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    I haven't either. I remember it stated very early on that several agencies were involved in the searches.

    When I checked on Day 3 of this case, DeOrr was on NCMEC so it would seem they followed the correct process.

    http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/1251277/1/screen


    And the Idaho Criminal Intelligence Center was managing leads pretty early on. Once example:
    http://www.idahostatejournal.com/me...cle_a1e0673c-29e7-11e5-a639-878d4368b6fe.html

    For anyone curious of how the FBI collaborates with police at the state level, you can check out the ICIC website here:

    https://www.isp.idaho.gov/icic/

    It may be worth mentioning that once the FBI is fully involved, information is rarely made public if there is no amber alert.
     
  15. Jackeee

    Jackeee Just one more thing....

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    Just to clarify my comment. I'm in no way critical of the way LE has handled this. I think it's at the point though, where new eyes should look at the case. Different questioning and investigation techniques maybe? JMO
     
  16. skinnycat

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    I hope that there is some one that has the skills to talk to GGP,

    IR comment to the reporter did you talk to GGP, makes me wonder what GGP may have witnessed

    Those picnic tables look like they are attached to cement slabs, if they are attached LE would have looked to see if slab may have been lifted then set back down, seen if weeds around it had been disturbed. Does anyone know if the picnic tables in that state park are on cement slabs?
     
  17. Jamaica Me Crazy

    Jamaica Me Crazy Former Member

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    Where did you read that the GGP was too feeble to be interrogated?
     
  18. CatsInTheCradle

    CatsInTheCradle Verified Baylor Bear!

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    Hi Gitana
    What I see on here is perhaps a lack of confidence in the Sheriff's Department. Only speaking for myself here...we (my family) had three members who were LE. One was tragically killed in the line of duty. It was devastating to our family. Even with that upbringing/exposure, I still do not blindly believe in everything LE does and says. I have seen corruption, politics, secrecy, etc. too much in the last few years in the national news. So for me, I'm very very relieved that the FBI is being brought in, if nothing more than to assist a smaller office and offer more resources. Its like getting a second medical opinion. All JMO and I have wanted nothing more than for baby DeOrr to be found and truth/justice to prevail, whatever that might be. All JMO
     
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  19. Wyle_E_Coyote

    Wyle_E_Coyote Northern Virginia

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    But as an attorney, you have a knowledge base about legal procedures, rights of accused, etc., that non-lawyers do not, which you would certainly draw upon when being questioned by LE. Would you advise the rest of us, who do not have that skill set, to refrain from utilizing counsel?

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  20. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    The FBI was notified so that DeOrr would be entered into the national data base created as part of the Missing Children's Act of 1982.

    Being notified doesn't automatically get a field office "involved" in the active investigation because they work in partnership and are a resource to local and state law enforcement. I'm pretty sure the Sheriff is still the lead investigator in this case.

    JMO
     
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