ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

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  1. Cardinal47

    Cardinal47 New Member

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    Since a couple of weeks into this missing DeOrr I started thinking somebody kind of known to the family was up there with them.

    We have talked quite a bit about what day DeOrr and his mother and father arrived at camp but we have never asked or discussed what day GGP and Isaac arrived.

    Perhaps they were there just a short time or maybe longer.

    Could they have been there several days, weeks and made friends with anybody visiting the area.

    The detective seems pretty sure, from his interview, DeOrr was abducted.

    I wonder what he knows that we don't know???

    Could it be that JM, DK and little DeOrr were just visiting GGP for a couple of days?

    It always seemed strange they would go camping with GGP and a man they never met. But if they went there and found GGP with a friend that could explain that.

    Just thinking about all of this.
     
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  3. babyback

    babyback Former Member

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    Does anyone have a link to the mapping of exactly where this camping spot is? Or have I missed it.
     
  4. wondering25

    wondering25 New Member

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    I am sure someone has posted this before.. but this says that deorr was LAST SEEN at1330 pm.. that is 130. Not the 2 pm we have been saying or close to 2 pm "naptime".

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/29726

    [h=1]Case Information[/h][TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD]Status[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]Missing[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]First name[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]Deorr[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Middle name[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]Jay[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Last name[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]Kunz[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Nickname/Alias[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]Little Man[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]NCMEC number[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]1251277[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Date last seen[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]July 10, 2015 13:30[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Date entered[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]07/31/2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD]Age last seen[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]2 to 2 years old[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Age now[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]2 years old[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Race[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]White[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Ethnicity[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Sex[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]Male[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Height (inches)[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]36.0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Weight (pounds)[/TD]
    [TD="class: view_field"]28.0 to 32.0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  5. Jules71

    Jules71 Active Member

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    Most likely because they were going off the official 911 call made at 2:28 and the mother's account that he had been missing for about an hour.

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  6. TeaTime

    TeaTime Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Just listened to the interview of the PI at post 933 and learned some interesting things. The bolded parts are his words, albeit summarized and not direct quotes. Everything else is mine.

    First, mom, dad and baby visited the store the morning after they arrived. This tells us they did in fact arrive Thursday evening. So, this jives with the story about where they 'slept' which was at first an odd choice of words since we all thought they arrived on Friday and had yet to sleep.

    Second, there was a "old" man at the store who stared at the baby enough to make mom nervous about him. PI wants to find this person. Of course, "old" to someone as young as mom could be middle-aged.

    Third, the baby could 'walk' out of the boots, so the fact that the boots were never found is a huge clue.

    Fourth - the parents have cooperated fully with LE. They are grieving parents. Nothing supports a theory that the parents covered up an accidental death.

    Fifth - the PI believes this was an abduction, does not believe the parents were involved in anything to do with the child's disappearance. He discounts GGP being involved.

    Sixth - most child abductions are committed by someone that knows the family or is a friend of a friend of the family. The PI pointed no fingers at anyone.

    Seventh - he does not believe an animal took the baby.

    Eighth - national media needs to bring this case to the attention of the country. There may be someone who noticed that some people now have a little boy that didn't have one before this baby boy disappeared.

    Abduction. I have always thought this and now even more so.
     
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    Deorr Kunz Jr.
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    Missing two year old in Lemhi County
    http://m.localnews8.com/news/Missing-two-year-old-in-Lemhi-County/34110688

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    Chief deputy on missing boy's family: 'They're solid
    KTVB, KTVB.COM 2:14 p.m. MDT July 16, 2015

    [...]
    "We've interviewed the family, and the information they've provided us - my office, myself - we're good with that," he said. "And I know there's a lot of innuendo out on social media and a lot of stuff going out there and it would be nice if it would stop and let them have a little peace. They're solid."
    [HR][/HR]NamUs MP 29726

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    ID - Deorr Kunz Jr, 2 yr old -- Media,Timelines and Maps **NO DISCUSSION"


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  11. sunflowerchick

    sunflowerchick New Member

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    Has LE ever said ANYTHING at all to support the abduction theory?
     
  12. lauriej

    lauriej 'wild rose country...'

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    --after the P.I. interview came out, it was discussed AT LENGTH as to what that particular stmt of his meant.

    --some were sure that it meant that they must have arrived Thursday night.

    --others were of the belief that what the P.I. meant was-------they went up to the store (in) the morning, after they arrived, meaning that they had arrived Friday and later that same morning went to the store, got French fries etc.


     
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  14. desert-blue

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    And they still have his eyes as being blue. That is really not helpful.
     
  15. Retribution

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    Wrong thread
     
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    We have very little actual info to go on in sleuthing this case.
    We don't know for sure which night/day they arrived.
    We don't know if they came together w/ggp. Or his friend IR.
    We don't know for sure how long little DeOrr was missing before 911 was called.
    But we do know that there are 2 RSO's in Leadore area. One @restaurant/bar, one@other campground said to be about 25 miles away.
    We know there is a trailhead leading out of Timber Creek campground.
    We know that someone contaminated the reservoir w/human cremains because the sheriff told us so.
    We know that the initial search was for an alive missing 2 year old, but not sure that makes it okay that there was someone/s dumping cremains there.
    Was the trunk of every vehicle entering or leaving Leadore being searched?
    When did the helicopters first come in and I wonder if they used infra-red night vision the first night DeOrr was officially missing.
    It is common in that camping area to use off-road motorcycles, bikes, atv's and horses. It is common for people to hike.
    IMO the scene was not locked down tight enough in the very first hours. I understand that LE probably thought they would find him quickly.
    Then the dogs kept returning to the reservoir which wasted alot of time, then divers searched.
    It is my own opinion that there was a "hole" big enough @the beginning for someone to get away from the area w/this toddler.
    What else would explain the fact that the water was contaminated? That someone did also drive up that very rugged road?
    Hoping for answers,
    jmho
     
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    Don't mind me; just marking my place.

    Thinking of this little guy -- hoping he's brought home soon.
     
  19. leilarose68

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    Sorry but the PI works for the family; nothing he says is objective information or unbiased insight. I wouldn't lend any credence to this, honestly
     
  20. babyback

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    So, in looking at the map that was provided, this camp site wasn't as remote as I first thought. We have 172B, 172A and 172 running quite close to it. Makes me wonder how close someone on an ATV would need to get to see a child wandering around alone, quickly devise a plan to kidnap them, carry out that plan within the window of opportunity they had. Which doesn't seem like much time.
     
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    4 minutes according to some statments. Possibly as long as 10-15 minutes. That would be a very quick planning and execution period. Which is why I personally cannot get on board with the abduction by Stanger theory.
     
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