Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #48

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  1. diggndeeperstill

    diggndeeperstill Well-Known Member

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    I just want to say that we definitely have ONE who from the beginning was extremely hardworking on this case and irreplaceable IMHO. I was involved in the very beginning of this case as were many others. From the “get go” we researched, we dug, we posted and shared. We shared links to court cases in posts that were removed, we found every tidbit that at the time was allowed to be shared on this case.

    So, this is my post to say thanks to those of you that shared in that back and forth and a HUGE shout out to @Gardener1850 for her amazing abilities to organize and her sacrificial time. IMHO, her timeline has been used by many and will FOREVER be THE BIGGEST asset to this case.

    MOO and all that jazz.
     
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  2. Ohmeohmy

    Ohmeohmy Well-Known Member

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    iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
    CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.

    Case Number
    CR33-20-0302

    • 07/17/2020 Pre-trial Conference

      Judicial Officer
      Mallard, Michelle Radford

      Hearing Time
      10:30 AM

      Result
      Hearing Held

      Parties Present
      State: State of Idaho

      Prosecuting Attorney: Wood, Robert H.

      Defendant: Vallow, Lori Norene

      Attorney of Record: Means, Mark LeRoy

    • 01/25/2021 Jury Trial

      Judicial Officer
      Mallard, Michelle Radford

      Hearing Time
      9:00 AM
     
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  3. Gardenkeep

    Gardenkeep Former Member

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    Another question;because I'm always full of questions. LOL

    Can the previous court documents in LVD's history be used by the defense or the DA in the current case? Are they admissible? Will the publication of these previous documents harm the case going forward?
     
  4. TheLoadedGoat

    TheLoadedGoat Curious Beyond Measure

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    Why did MM even bother on the request for the lower bail reduction on the lesser charges? We don't think she has the money or people to get her out and there are surely more charges to come. Seems like a waste of time. I usually assume the lawyer is doing things I don't understand because he has this grand plan that will all tie it together one day but MM isn't that smart. Just seems like a waste of any amount of time he billed her for that - whether prepping or in court. JMO
     
  5. Gardenkeep

    Gardenkeep Former Member

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    There is another thing that caught my ear in the conference; when the DA mentioned the cases possibly being combined. How would that play out?
     
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  6. JolietJake

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    One of our posters, who is a verified attorney, mentioned several pages back that he does this because he's simply doing his job. Yes, it makes no sense since more serious charges have to be coming. She has another $1m in bail still out there and it's highly doubtful any bondsman would put up the funds even if she could make the downpayment. So, in the meantime Mr. Means must do whatever he's legally able to, but that's okay since she will continue to sit. In her mind, only for another five days with 7/22 right around the corner, but in reality she'll be sitting for a long, long time.
    MOO.
     
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  7. illyana

    illyana Active Member

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    I would question the morality of anyone defending these violent and dangerous idiots.
     
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  8. WTAF Wicked Truths

    WTAF Wicked Truths Wicked Truths And F-Bombs

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    100%. JMO, but there’s something much deeper here and even more to come from a document stand point. The truth is not pretty. It downright sucks. But to understand the whys and how’s, you have to understand those involved and their history. As always, all JMO.
     
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  9. Tortoise

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    Thank you! I've just spent all day reposting it and adding links because I realised there were a ton missing when I looked back over it this morning. I've just finished and I need some fresh air now, after 12 hours in front of my screen. At the moment I feel as if I wouln't mind if I never saw another timeline in my LIFE! :)

    Apologies all for the first one which was below standard.
     
  10. gumchew

    gumchew Well-Known Member

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    Me too. Other than the attorneys who are duty-bound to do so, that is.
     
  11. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Please read the following message from Tricia:

     
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    Please read the following message from Tricia:

     
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  13. Diddian

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    No apologies necessary!

    I've been refreshing my memory going through it and appreciate that you've caught it up as well as updated some of the earlier entries for information more recently learned. The abbreviations for names list is also great to have handy.

    Thank you so much. I'm sure it was MANY hours of work!
     
  14. Tortoise

    Tortoise Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Diddian. It's all sorted now.

    New timeline updates now fit for viewing - ID - Joshua Vallow & Tylee Ryan, Rexburg, Sept 2019 TIMELINE ONLY - *NO DISCUSSION*
     
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  15. diggndeeperstill

    diggndeeperstill Well-Known Member

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  16. gumchew

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    Prosecutor Rob Wood would file a Motion to Consolidate. Here's the relevant snippet from the 7th Judicial District of Idaho rules:

    "8. Consolidation of Cases. (1) Motions to consolidate cases shall be heard by the judge assigned to either the lowest numbered or the first filed case. (2) Notice of a motion to consolidate shall be given to all parties in each action involved and a copy shall be filed in each case involved. (3) In the event a motion is granted, the order shall specify the case number under which all future papers shall be filed, which shall be the lowest of the case numbers involved. Thereafter, that number shall be used exclusively for all papers filed only in the designated case file. (4) If a motion to consolidate is granted the case shall be heard by the judge who is assigned to the lowest numbered of the cases involved."

    https://isc.idaho.gov/files/CourtRules_Seventh_Judicial_District.pdf

    ETA: 1) JMO, IANAL. My Google skills are not sanctioned by the Idaho State Bar or 4 out of 5 dentists :D
    2) I will miss Judge Eddins, he was growing on me
     
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  17. nyvictoria

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    So in other words, she’s staying right where she is.
     
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  18. DippyHippy

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    I truly hope that each department (from over the many years) that was involved with this ongoing tragedy, takes a long, hard look at what the hell went wrong - why things weren't followed up, why information wasn't correctly shared to the appropriate departments, why the law didn't step in and remove Lori (as advised), why this was allowed to carry on for so long without one department standing up and saying 'Right, this is ridiculous - we're calling a halt on this NOW!'

    It would be a blessing if they ALL learned something from the terrible mistakes that were made here, so it didn't happen again - but sadly, these 'errors of judgements' seem to crop up time and time again - albeit not as gross as this case seems to be evolving into. It's almost like, with the track history we're starting to hear about, that those involved with LDV over the years, were so fed up with the amount of paperwork involved, that they put it all in the 'outbox' tray and left it for someone else, in another department, to deal with. Their failings in not acting on other professionals advice, has cost the lives of 2 beautiful children from growing up, and cutting short the lives of several adults. Truly, truly heartbreaking.
     
  19. gumchew

    gumchew Well-Known Member

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    OK, so--I have an unpopular opinion on the way these documents have been shared--but I agree strongly with shining a light on the underlying failures of the system(s). In fact, I'm a little worried that this sort of case is not that unusual. NOT the murder part, to be clear; but the serial failure to protect children from a pattern of parental behavior that is harmful and leads to lots of potential bad outcomes (including in some cases murder). I wonder if we have any social workers here who can comment on this?

    My gut feeling is that we have many, many children here in the U.S. who slip through the cracks of family (and criminal) court. It reminds me of pre-9/11 federal law enforcement, where you couldn't count on the fact that federal agencies were sharing information about patterns of behavior they were observing, and often for silly technical reasons, like not having their databases integrated!

    If this is a problem, what can we as citizens do to advocate for more law enforcement (and judicial) accountability in protecting children across time, jurisdiction and geography?
     
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  20. nyvictoria

    nyvictoria Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, it’s all to commonplace. Have you read the thread on Gabriel Fernandez? There’s a Netflix series about his case too. Mother and boyfriend in prison but charges against the case workers were just dismissed.
    GUILTY - CA - Gabriel Fernandez, 8, tortured to death, Palmdale, 22 May 2013
     
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