Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63

[dcfi224]

dcfi224, Thank you for your information, great insight of procedure of hospital applying medication about how they would check LVD if she was taking psychiatric medication. I have a couple of questions, which has puzzled me which I hope you can answer regarding LVD also it is personal matter regarding past Welfare Medical files in Australia. I am sticking to the thread topic on LVD as my questions due match to her situation.
It has been stated, in their opinon and IMO that LVD is faking her condition, if so taking the medication how much damage would it do to her mental health do more harm than good? Could it cause a actual mental condition. Thought in my mind is could this be the plan to avoid/delay court by doing. IMO.
Checking the blood for medication how long has this done? I am asking this as I was a formal state ward like other children who were on welfare in Queensland late 1970's, Australia were given medication by our Welfare Officers Myself and Siblings were made State Wards , (they were safe, thank heavens) the focus went on me from the 8 years until I was 12 years old my welfare officer handed over unlabelled medication for "my well being" every few months myself and other children like me would have our blood tested "the level and amount of medication in our blood, to adjust the medication by our blood results he claimed.
When you mention of how they would check LVD to make sure she would be taking the required medication, it brought up a memory which I had not yet questioned or investigated.
Regard to LVD harm in taking medication if she was faking would do harm, the memory of those years of myself taking the medication and doing cold turkey at 12 years old are still painful memories. From my records, I was stunned to find out what I was given, Welfare Officer had connection to Wilson Detention Hospital, in Brisbane so he and others were handed these out to children like candy. My Doctor was shocked to read at one time of the doses. At 12 years old I was lucky, a person questioned what was going on, sent me to hospital, welfare Officer lied through his teeth about it, he was not believed I was removed from his care. If LVD thinks (IMO) faking to avoid trial, may be the worst course she has decided to take, but dcfi224 can you give insight as I going by my experience which is outdated as it happened in the 1970's.

I’m so sorry to hear about your experience . I’d like to think that in today’s world, medications are being prescribed in an evidence-based manner, but unfortunately that’s not always the case. In such a high-profile case like this, I really really hope treatment guidelines are being followed closely.

“It has been stated, in their opinon and IMO that LVD is faking her condition, if so taking the medication how much damage would it do to her mental health do more harm than good? Could it cause a actual mental condition. Thought in my mind is could this be the plan to avoid/delay court by doing. IMO.”
IMO, it would depend on what they are giving her and how much. Do I think giving her (or most people) an antidepressant without underlying depression/anxiety/PTSD would be harmful? Probably not - a little serotonin boost could probably do most people some good. And the potential side effects are usually transient and not of major concern. (***I’m saying all of this as general statements, everyone responds differently to medications, and there is the potential for serious adverse effects***).

If they’re giving her an antipsychotic or mood stabilizer without an underlying condition, I would not anticipate any benefit (to LVD), and a high risk for side effects (sedation, weight gain/metabolic risks, cardiac risks, blood abnormalities, etc.). I’d expect her to be very sedated and potentially gain weight in the short-term, and potential for movement disorders, diabetes in the long-term. I wouldn’t anticipate these medications to cause another mental health condition, so to speak - but any significant change of chemicals in the brain is going to have some effect. I lean towards her having a personality disorder and unfortunately medication isn’t going to fix that. As you mentioned, it would do more harm than good.

We would expect to see improvement to symptoms fairly quickly with antipsychotics or mood stabilizers. She could make it her “plan” to fake it and get medicated (and make herself worse?), but if she’s not getting better, they’re not going to just keep prescribing the medication. They will try a different one, and then another one after that, but at some point lack of response to medication might be telling. I do not believe she is outsmarting anyone.

I hope that answers your question!

 

[Onsdag]

Glad this site is back up.

Chad Daybell's remote hearing from today through Scott Reisch' YouTube channel:

 

[Tortoise]

Should've shot down the argument that Justice for JJ & Tylee signs, and vigils and memorials are at all prejudicial. All the victims deserve justice WHOEVER murdered them.

 

[Forever Young]

Wow, couldn't believe that no one was commenting on today's hearing! I wondered if the site was still down from last night, but couldn't find anywhere saying so.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Local update: MM was at the women’s detention center today

 

[fred&edna]

I don't think the survey matters one iota. But, did I understand correctly that MM hired the survey be done on behalf of both CD and LVD ? If so, does it matter who is/was paying MM at that time, and who (which client) paid for this survey? I suppose it's possible there was some agreement between MM and JP (on behalf of their clients) to hire the survey team... but, I know MM was adamant that he never represented both LVD and CD.

I thought going ahead with the jury selection/voir dire made sense.

And, I liked some of Lindsey Blake's very subtle facial expressions (in reaction to Prior's arguments) near the end of court today

 

[Kemug]

I think the site going down may be why my latest message disappeared, as I can't believe it was that controversial. I merely suggested that another reason for killing Tylee may have been so as not to have to spend all that money on college fees.

 

[pizzaman12]

I'm going to tag @MTW2011 because they had some comments during the hearing today right when the server had issues and looks like those posts are gone and I always dig their take.

I don't know if I've ever had a post this long so I apologize.

I've stated numerous times that JP has done a good job thus far for CD and is continuing. However, I can't wrap my head around is this survey and the company that managed the campaign. I get the area of analytics are probably not JP's thing but where in the world did the find this guy and what sold them on him? My digital team would have absolutely lost their mind if I showed them this and this isn't even our field.

First off. Who are the experts? Iron Wood are the experts but basically just followed directions by people who are not qualified to do anything they're asking for. Your job is to try to figure out the client's objective and develop a plan through a consultative approach. I found it interesting that RW didn't touch on amount of questions asked and the phrasing of them (especially since LV case is stayed) but I don't think he had to say much as Bryant was making his job easy and even Judge Boyce really didn't have an option as the expert you called basically said you can't use this data.

Less than 200 completed surveys? If you can't provide a comprehensive...well...anything, you're going to have a hard time selling anything. If that data was solely Fremont County, maybe a different story based on that population but it wasn't. You had plenty of counties & population. The pay per click and conversion ratio for this would lead me to believe they were either paying Iron Wood in Arby's coupons or their digital marketing specialist needs to find a different career path.

Bryant's antiquated verbiage alone would have me running. I get it. They primarily deal with telephone market research but I was waiting for him to bust out an abacus. It's as though he can read numbers but has no idea how they're even reaching these people. I get he's only analyzing the data but he is the VP of analytics so one would assume he'd have a better grasp. I can't imagine the people who actually implemented this campaign couldn't articulate this better than him.

In 40+ years of experience he's only done one other scenario like this? He's probably seen thousands of surveys. He has ONE other under his belt? You can't swing a cat without hitting a digital marketing agency that specializes analytics in today's world. How they landed with this guy is amazing. It must have been a coupon on the back of a receipt somewhere.

I will say it was awkward to watch Bryant hear something be said by the state and almost laughingly agree, smile and shake his head. I could just picture JP wondering what the hell the guy was doing. Not going to beat him up on that as he isn't a trained tv personality.

Overall, whether this was admitted today, next month, next year or a decade down the road is really irrelevant. It's going to get absolutely hammered. I don't think they should have had a problem getting quantifiable data to support their argument in the first place.

The company hired to do the survey and what was presented was laughable and absolute garbage in my opinion.

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

Local update: MM was at the women’s detention center today

Are we to assume that Lori Dearest is at the WDC, and not a psyche hospital?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Are we to assume that Lori Dearest is at the WDC, and not a psyche hospital?

I’m only able to confirm what I can see, which is the coming or going of MM or JA (should he visit, though it’s not very often he is there with MM). Anything is possible really, especially with telehealth being a big thing and covid cases being pretty high right now. It’s just really tough to determine.

All jmo moo imo

 

[Kemug]

I just read Charles' autopsy report again, and I am feeling so sad. He was a good man, his only mistake was to fall for Lori. And she couldn't care less when he died, in fact she was glad. She may well have mental troubles, but she certainly knows murder is wrong. . . . I am now having to prevent myself from saying all sorts of things, but I'm sure you can imagine them.

 

[Niner]

I see that my post was deleted also - it was #304 - and have NO idea what the previous dates had, as I deleted them after posting them here.
I am going to "assume" Chad still has a motion hearing today - so I shall post this.
If someone could bring me up to speed on the change of venue from yesterday? Did he get it?

Wednesday, October 6th:
*Motions Hearing (Murder charge) (@ 9am MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2019 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – only for *Chad Guy Daybell (51/now 53) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP.
*Arrested & charged (6/9/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains. Plead not guilty. $1M bond.
Destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County/Dismissed 7/29/21.
*Charged (7/1/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of conspiracy to commit concealment, destruction or alteration of evidence. (<these charges were dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21). Plead not guilty. Bond stays at $1M. Fremont County/Dismissed 7/29/21.
Trial was set to begin 7/12/21 has been continued to 11/8/21 (thru 12/17/21 with 11/11 & 11/25 as holidays).
Grand Jury convened from May 17 to May 20 re JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan & Tammy Daybell. Indicted on 5/15/21 for murder plus other charges.
Court info from 6/10/20 thru 9/29/21 reference post #304 (which was deleted when WS server change- sorry) here:
Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63
9/30/21 Update: The prosecution won't object to the change of venue. Judge Boyce also said he will need “data” to support argument by the State to sequester a jury. Both sides have agreed to a change of venue in Chad's case but the argument is whether the actors are moved to a new county or if jurors from another county come to where the actors are & are sequestered. Defense asks for the whole trial to move. Prosecution today asked for jurors to come to them & be sequestered. They have a hearing next week & the judge will decide. The judge is concerned about the costs of sequestration. Hearing next Tuesday October 5 re change of venue & on 10/6/21.
10/5/21 Update: No info on motions hearing re change of venue. Motion hearing continues on 10/6/21.
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 48) – Fremont County: 5/27/21: Found incompetent to stand trial. All hearings put on hold. Competency review hearing was on 6/16/21, but Prosecutor Wood withdraws motion for contest competency. Status hearing on 7/1/21 was vacated. Status hearing on 9/16/21.
*Madison County: Pretrial conference hearing on 8/17/21 & trial set to begin on 8/30/21 were both vacated.

 

[fred&edna]

Are we to assume that Lori Dearest is at the WDC, and not a psyche hospital?

I think so, and maybe MM appears there daily to sing, "A Spoonful of Sugar"

 

[fred&edna]

I see that my post was deleted also - it was #304 - and have NO idea what the previous dates had, as I deleted them after posting them here.
I am going to "assume" Chad still has a motion hearing today - so I shall post this.
If someone could bring me up to speed on the change of venue from yesterday? Did he get it?

Wednesday, October 6th:
*Motions Hearing (Murder charge) (@ 9am MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2019 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – only for *Chad Guy Daybell (51/now 53) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP.
*Arrested & charged (6/9/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains. Plead not guilty. $1M bond.
Destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County/Dismissed 7/29/21.
*Charged (7/1/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of conspiracy to commit concealment, destruction or alteration of evidence. (<these charges were dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21). Plead not guilty. Bond stays at $1M. Fremont County/Dismissed 7/29/21.
Trial was set to begin 7/12/21 has been continued to 11/8/21 (thru 12/17/21 with 11/11 & 11/25 as holidays).
Grand Jury convened from May 17 to May 20 re JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan & Tammy Daybell. Indicted on 5/15/21 for murder plus other charges.
Court info from 6/10/20 thru 9/29/21 reference post #304 (which was deleted when WS server change- sorry) here:
Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63
9/30/21 Update: The prosecution won't object to the change of venue. Judge Boyce also said he will need “data” to support argument by the State to sequester a jury. Both sides have agreed to a change of venue in Chad's case but the argument is whether the actors are moved to a new county or if jurors from another county come to where the actors are & are sequestered. Defense asks for the whole trial to move. Prosecution today asked for jurors to come to them & be sequestered. They have a hearing next week & the judge will decide. The judge is concerned about the costs of sequestration. Hearing next Tuesday October 5 re change of venue & on 10/6/21.
10/5/21 Update: No info on motions hearing re change of venue. Motion hearing continues on 10/6/21.
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 48) – Fremont County: 5/27/21: Found incompetent to stand trial. All hearings put on hold. Competency review hearing was on 6/16/21, but Prosecutor Wood withdraws motion for contest competency. Status hearing on 7/1/21 was vacated. Status hearing on 9/16/21.
*Madison County: Pretrial conference hearing on 8/17/21 & trial set to begin on 8/30/21 were both vacated.

From what I understood... Judge Boyce is reviewing the arguments and will make a ruling later but I don't remember a specific date mentioned. I'm sorry you lost your post (I wasn't here and didn't see any of the messages that got deleted during the upgrade mini-turmoil).

 

[pizzaman12]

I see that my post was deleted also - it was #304 - and have NO idea what the previous dates had, as I deleted them after posting them here.
I am going to "assume" Chad still has a motion hearing today - so I shall post this.
If someone could bring me up to speed on the change of venue from yesterday? Did he get it?

Wednesday, October 6th:
*Motions Hearing (Murder charge) (@ 9am MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2019 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – only for *Chad Guy Daybell (51/now 53) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP.
*Arrested & charged (6/9/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains. Plead not guilty. $1M bond.
Destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County/Dismissed 7/29/21.
*Charged (7/1/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of conspiracy to commit concealment, destruction or alteration of evidence. (<these charges were dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21). Plead not guilty. Bond stays at $1M. Fremont County/Dismissed 7/29/21.
Trial was set to begin 7/12/21 has been continued to 11/8/21 (thru 12/17/21 with 11/11 & 11/25 as holidays).
Grand Jury convened from May 17 to May 20 re JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan & Tammy Daybell. Indicted on 5/15/21 for murder plus other charges.
Court info from 6/10/20 thru 9/29/21 reference post #304 (which was deleted when WS server change- sorry) here:
Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63
9/30/21 Update: The prosecution won't object to the change of venue. Judge Boyce also said he will need “data” to support argument by the State to sequester a jury. Both sides have agreed to a change of venue in Chad's case but the argument is whether the actors are moved to a new county or if jurors from another county come to where the actors are & are sequestered. Defense asks for the whole trial to move. Prosecution today asked for jurors to come to them & be sequestered. They have a hearing next week & the judge will decide. The judge is concerned about the costs of sequestration. Hearing next Tuesday October 5 re change of venue & on 10/6/21.
10/5/21 Update: No info on motions hearing re change of venue. Motion hearing continues on 10/6/21.
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 48) – Fremont County: 5/27/21: Found incompetent to stand trial. All hearings put on hold. Competency review hearing was on 6/16/21, but Prosecutor Wood withdraws motion for contest competency. Status hearing on 7/1/21 was vacated. Status hearing on 9/16/21.
*Madison County: Pretrial conference hearing on 8/17/21 & trial set to begin on 8/30/21 were both vacated.

Sorry you lost your post. I saw several here that were deleted with the server issue. Thanks for this and @fred&edna is correct. Judge Boyce was going to review and submit a written decision. No timeframe was given

 

[887sMtreme]

Snipped for focus

I don't think the survey matters one iota.

I thought the Ironwood survey was a ridiculous waste of somebody’s money. I mean 18 respondents representing the whole county? Statistically irrelevant in the extreme. Who did MM a think would be impressed by that?

 

[887sMtreme]

I just read Charles' autopsy report again, and I am feeling so sad. He was a good man, his only mistake was to fall for Lori. And she couldn't care less when he died, in fact she was glad. She may well have mental troubles, but she certainly knows murder is wrong. . . . I am now having to prevent myself from saying all sorts of things, but I'm sure you can imagine them.

People can react to crises in odd ways, true, but Lori’s behavior after Charles’ death was extreme, and prolonged. She was elated.

 

[pizzaman12]

Didn't appear to have had a hearing this morning. Not sure why. Wasn't this the motion to sever? @Niner

 

[Gardenista]

Big day today!
The Chandler Police Department is releasing the entire investigation into the death of Charles Vallow. It will be over 24GB of files. We’re expecting to get it after 11am.
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[Niner]

Didn't appear to have had a hearing this morning. Not sure why. Wasn't this the motion to sever? @Niner

Yes, I believe it was that motion!

I'll tag @montegrl - do you have the next court date for Chad? Has his trial on 11/18/21 been vacated? TIA!