Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #58

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  1. OnlyFacts

    OnlyFacts Well-Known Member

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    Scott explains a lot in this video. Even he has a few questions though.
     


  2. Diddian

    Diddian Well-Known Member

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    Even if the judge has to step carefully where the defendant is concerned to avoid creating an issue that would be successful on appeal, I do wish he'd start holding MM to account.

    From what I understand, MM did not have paperwork when he brought up the issue of mental incompetency March 8; he brought it up orally. And, it sounded like he also didn't have the anticipated paperwork on a couple of issues yesterday, including that indicating he is continuing as counsel on the new charges. Seems like it is past time to assign a second attorney who has the competence to get the paperwork done in advance of any hearings. Because at this point, it is all looking like a "drag my feet" strategy.
     
  3. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    IMO, only if you get caught.
     
  4. fuzzybutter

    fuzzybutter Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you, she will be tried sooner or later. Your last paragraph made me wonder how much control MM has over his client. This may not be up to him. If she is still writing letters to Chad, praying and dancing all day, he may have had no choice. He absolutely does not want her to get on the stand and start spewing zombie multiple lives etc etc mumbo jumbo. Maybe he thinks this is all he can do. I imagine she a hellish client.
     
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  5. pizzaman12

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    Fantastic post @Diddian !!! I will note that JP wanted separate and MM wanted them joined. Without question, JP is the better attorney. Maybe during that time, he was able to convince MM/LV why a separate trial would benefit LV.

    From the beginning, JP made quick work to distance CD from LV as much as possible. I think JP is smart and helpful to MM but I think he cares about only CD, and rightfully so.

    The other aspect is when restorative treatment began and the progress that has been made. Will obviously depend on the time of the assessment but assuming it was remotely around that time frame, I think that first block of 90 days will be in sync with continuing the case together. I'd assume the judge would be provided a pretty up to date report of what they're seeing. When dealing with my family members, there were formal items completed on "x" amount of days but they gave us constant (many times daily) as the what they were seeing, progress, etc...Maybe that's completely different in this case and what is required. I would love to learn more as that segment hits home a bit.
     
  6. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    JMO but I think we all pretty much know that. We are just calling foul play. Many of us have been here for a long time and we have become very familiar with Lori's history. We totally understand how mental evaluations go.
     
  7. pizzaman12

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    People were shocked when Cristhian Rivera got up there yesterday. If LV testifies, I think every single juror's head would literally explode (hell, maybe that's their defense)
     
  8. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    All deals are not made for missing bodies. Sometimes, deals are made for details for the murders, who did what, when and who conspired, as well as the people involved in the planning.
     
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    These were two separate judges. March 8th would have been Boyce and yesterday Eddins.
     
  10. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hey Everyone,

    Hope you'll join us tonight at 10 PM Eastern as we discuss live the events of today in the Vallow case.

    Lori is not having a good day and Aimee from the Facebook page True Crime Sushi
    Aimee offers her incredible insights and we want to hear what you think about today's developments.
    See you tonight
     
  11. Paulas88

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    She seemed fine in Hawaii?
     
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    Caylee Advocate Breast Cancer Awareness

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    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I actually agree, LVD is definitely "Incompetent". As a mother!
     
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  14. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    Bingo!
     
  15. Laughing

    Laughing Well-Known Member

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    Now if (Black Widow) Lori is incompetent, does this open the door for the Woodcocks, &/or Tylee's aunt, or Tammy's family, to action against the Gilbert & Chandler PDs?

    Charles Vallow said she needed help, IIRC. Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow, Tylee, and JJ could theoretically all be alive if an agency had accepted Lori's "incompetence" when Mr. Vallow stated that for them....

    jmho ymmv lrr
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    I wonder if Alyce LaViolette sent her a book on how to feign "how to be not competent", and Richard Samuels was brought in as the psychiatrist for the evaluation :confused:o_O (for those familiar with the Jodi Arias case/insert sarcasm)"
     
  17. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    And a wife, and a sister and as a sidekick of a married man.
     
  18. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Crime Addict

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    LOL, oh no, you did not go there. Don't you dare start on Snow White and the seven darwfs.
     
  19. 887sMtreme

    887sMtreme Well-Known Member

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    There are products for that which might be allowed in jail. They are powders or pressed powders applied with brushes. If brushes aren’t allowed, fingers, maybe?
     
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    JolietJake Well-Known Member

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    LV is declared incompetent. Her lawyer is deemed by many, including the prosecuting attorney, to be incompetent in this case. What a pair!

    As a side note, I wonder if she will be on suicide watch. CD too.
     
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