Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #62

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  1. Love Never Fails

    Love Never Fails Well-Known Member

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    I tend to think the kids want to believe Alex and Lori committed all of the murders and Chad was just an unknowing accomplice. They want to get sympathy from possible jurors in their area/State/religion.
    Never going to happen. Dream on kiddos.
     


  2. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    They aren't knowingly dishonoring her if they don't believe that she was killed by their father. If they thought that she was murdered by someone else (e.g. Alex sneaking into the house at night) they will probably state so. That is, IF the autopsy points to foul play.

    What would happen if Chad's children turned their backs on him and he got acquitted (not much chance, but do they know that)?
     
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  3. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    BBM. That is likely JP's defense strategy as well. At the preliminary hearing he was hinting at Lori's close relationship with Alex (but also with MG). He also tried to imply that Chad's ideas conveyed in PAP speeches and his books weren't problematic (no zombies to be found).
     
  4. Ruminations

    Ruminations Eating ice cream.

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    Regarding Tammy and Chad’s kiddults, they are, as laughing mentioned, alive.

    Some behavior like refusing to give LE statements without having the autopsy on hand as a reference first is hardly heroic.

    On the other hand, I consider them to be victims (who are alive).

    No matter each of their individual levels of denial about their father’s wrongdoing, no matter how susceptible each is allowing themself to be to support their father’s defense even at the cost of their own integrity, I find their position sympathetic. I can’t imagine losing one parent to (at best, in their minds) accidental death that LE is calling murder, and the other to (at best, in their minds) incarceration for false accusations. Then, that surviving parent “needs” you to get the autopsy-aligned, TV friendly truth out—- maybe when these kiddults are Chad’s age they will feel like they need a shower looking back on their behavior. But right now, I can’t imagine the pressure.

    That said, LE was right not to release the autopsy without an interview IMO, and IMO CBS could be wrong to allow them to get their message out without first giving the information under oath to LE.
     
  5. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    I'm with you. I've seen other cases like Drew Peterson and Cal Harris where the kids supported their murdering father over their victim mother. Disgusting!
     
  6. Nosurprise

    Nosurprise Well-Known Member

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    Video of coming soon 48 hours
     

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  7. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    Q: "Did your father Chad Daybell play any role in killing JJ and Tylee?"
    A (all five children): "No."
     
  8. indicolite22

    indicolite22 Well-Known Member

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    It's interesting that Lori's mother and sister also did an interview for 48 Hours and not for some other outlets with in-depth reporting on the case.
     
  9. pizzaman12

    pizzaman12 Well-Known Member

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    Wow. To have all 5 kids all in agreement is pretty wild.

    Curious when we'll see TD autopsy.

    I know there was talk about filming but curious how that works since JP owns it.
     
  10. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    Thanks for the heads up. Well now I know for sure what I won't be watching! When I said Drew Peterson earlier, I actually meant Michael Peterson. There are so many Peterson men murderers that it's easy to get names confused.
     
  11. MsJosie

    MsJosie Well-Known Member

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    So how do the adult Daybell children account for JJ and Tyler murdered and buried in their dad back yard? How do the account for their father running (driving) from LE the day the children’s bodies are found? How can they face their Moms family? Explain to their moms family just how innocent (not) their dad is. There are so many questions I would like to to ask these adult children. They are in total denial…..how will they deal with the trial and hearing all the evidence.
    Just what kind of hold did CD have over his family?! CD, has he ever heard of Karma? She will visit him one day.
     
  12. Love Never Fails

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    I tend to think the kids want to believe Alex and Lori committed all of the murders and Chad was just an unknowing accomplice. They want to get sympathy from possible jurors in their area/State/religion.
    Never going to happen. Dream on kiddos.
    oh really? Why were they on the Daybell property? I guess their mom (Tammy) helped Alex?
    Disgusting.
     
  13. jash

    jash Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if verified insider @Redvines86 still posts here but I'd love to get her take on this. In one of the Websleuths YouTube shows, she told Tricia that at least some of the children were no longer supportive of CD. I wonder what's changed.
     
  14. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    These are going to be quite long - but their other hearings kept getting cancelled - so I will shorten this up a bit!

    Monday, August 30th
    *Status Conference Hearing (@ 3pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2019 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – for *Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 48) arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii on 2/20/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & arraigned (5/26/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): Chad only: 1st Degree murder. Count 7: Lori only: Grand theft (related to social security survivor benefits allocated for the care of minors Tylee & JJ). DA will seek DP. Fremont County
    Arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii) on 2/20/20 & charged (6/30/20) & arraigned (9/20/20) with 2 counts of conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence. Bond was set at $5M & reduced to $1M.
    Conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County
    Trial was set to begin on 7/12/21 has been vacated. No further dates yet.
    Grand Jury convened from May 17 to May 20 re JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan & Tammy Daybell. Indicted on 5/25/21 (see above).
    Vallow was found incompetent to stand trial on 5/27/21. Transferred to mental hospital on 6/24/21.

    Court info from 3/5/20 thru 6/25/21 reference post #300 here:
    Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #60

    6/25/21: Supplemental Declaration in support of motion to compel filed by Mark Means. Amended Notice of remote hearing (redacted) for 7/1/21 @ 11am via telephone or video. 6/26/21 Update: Status conference hearing on 7/1/21. 6/28/21: Motion for change of venue filed by Mark Means. Request for Discovery: specific Discovery pursuant to ICR16. Reservation of rights & defenses (Means also filed reservation of rights and defenses. Puts court on notice that Vallow is not waiving her right to defense against charges she is facing, despite her cases being on hold while she is rehabilitated); 7/1/21 Update; Status hearing was postponed.
    6/30/21: LV's concealment case: Filed: Declared Motion to Show Cause Re: Contempt for Failure to Comply with Lawfully Served Subpoena & Declared Motion to Show Cause Re: Contempt for Failure to Comply with Lawfully Served Subpoena (Means filed another motion to show contempt for failure to comply w/ served subpoena. He says Heather Daybell (Chad Daybell’s sister in law) will not provide the communications between her and state witness Melanie Gibb after both were lawfully served). 7/1/21 filed: Order Vacating Hearing. 7/7/21 filed: Disposition for Behavioral Health Facility.
    7/13/21: Murder: Order allowing unsealing of Motion for Pro Hac Vice & Order granting Pro Hac Vice admission. 7/27/21: Motion for Pro Hac Vice admission. 7/27/21: Order sealing State's motion & memorandum objecting to the entry of appearance of counsel & for a finding of conflict-Granted. 7/28/21: Granted motion for Pro Hac Vice admission; Rachel Smith is part of murder case.
    7/29/21: The original charges after the kids' bodies were discovered have now been dismissed. The evidence concealment charges have been dropped against Chad & Lori Daybells this enables prosecutors to focus on the more serious murder charges. Nothing else in the case changes. 8/5/21: Notice of intent to seek the death penalty. 8/6/21 Update: Order: Appointing Counsel. A death penalty certified attorney has been appointed as co-counsel for Vallow. Attorney Jim Archibald. While Archibald is appointed, prosecutors have not yet sought the death penalty against her. Her case is stayed or on pause because of her mental health commitment & such filings can't be made.
    8/9/21: Motion to Dismiss the Grand Jury indictment. Means claims prosecutors could not hold the grand jury because Vallow's case is on hold because of competency issues. James Archibald filed notice of appearance, saying he is representing Vallow & a request for discovery from the State. 8/6/21: Order: Upon consideration of issues raised by counsel regarding the Defendants’ case numbers & administrative proceedings in the cases, the Court issues the following order. For purposes of conducting a jury trial, the cases of State of Idaho v. Chad Guy Daybell. CR22-21-l623; and State of Idaho v. Lori Norene Vallow Daybell. CR22-21-1624: are currently joined. However for administrative purposes & in order to protect Defendants’ full panoply of rights including due process protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution & the Idaho State Constitution. each Defendant has a unique case & unique case number. It is therefore ordered & confirmed that Fremont County Case No. CR22-21-l623 State v. Chad Guy Daybell & Case No. CR22-2l-l624 State v. Lori Noreen Vallow Daybell are two separate cases before the District Court in Fremont County. Idaho Regardless of the single indictment. The defendants are however joined for purposes of trial Pursuant to l.C.R. 8(b). It is further ordered that Counsel are directed to file all subsequent pleadings in each case captioning only that individual Defendant’s respective case number & name. 8/9/21: First & second Supplemental Discovery Disclosure. Notice of Appearance (R. James Archibald). 8/11/21: Motion to Dismiss the Grand Jury indictment-Declared, Motion to Compel-3rd declared & Declaration in support of Motion Supplemental. 8/11/21: 3rd Declared Motion to Compel (filed by M. Means). Supplemental Declaration in Support of Motion to Compel.

    8/19/21 Update: Status conference hearing scheduled on 8/30/21 at 3pm.

    *AZ – Indicted (6/24/21) & served (6/29/21) with conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder in the death of former husband Charles Vallow. Maricopa County
    6/29/21 Update: Lori Vallow is indicted (6/24/21) by a grand jury in Maricopa County, charged with conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder in the death of her former husband Charles Vallow. Indictment #797-GJ-259/ Arizona won't go any further until Vallow's Idaho charges have been resolved. The indictment states, “Lori N. Vallow, on or about July 11, 2019, with the intent to promote or aid the commission of an offense, to-wit: First Degree Murder, agreed with Alexander Cox that at least one of them or another would engage in conduct constituting the offense of First Degree Murder.” The prosecutor in Lori's Maricopa County case for the murder of Charles Vallow is Jodi Arias prosecutor Juan Martinez's girlfriend, Treena Kay.
    *Madison County: Pretrial conference hearing on 8/17/21 & trial set to begin on 8/30/21 were both vacated.


    ALSO:
    *Motions Hearing (Murder charge via Zoom)[Closed Hearing] (@ 3:30pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2019 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – for *Chad Guy Daybell (51/now 53) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP. Fremont County
    *Arrested & charged (6/9/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains. Plead not guilty. $1M bond.
    Destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County #CR22-20-0838-Dismissed 7/29/21.
    *Charged (7/1/20) & arraigned (8/21/20) with 2 felony counts of conspiracy to commit concealment, destruction or alteration of evidence. (<these charges were dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21). Plead not guilty. Bond stays at $1M.
    Trial was set to begin 7/12/21 has been continued to 11/8/21 (thru 12/17/21 with 11/11 & 11/25 as holidays).
    Grand Jury convened from May 17 to May 20 re JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan & Tammy Daybell. Indicted on 5/15/21 for murder plus other charges.

    Court info from 6/10/20 thru 6/10/21 reference post #848 here:
    Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #59

    6/21/21: Defendant filed: Motion to extend time for I.C.R. 12(b) motions to be filed & heard re Motion to Dismiss. Setting a scheduling conference on 6/23/21.
    6/23/21 Update: Judge Boyce presiding. Daybell appearance waived. Via Zoom: Judge, John Prior & Lindsey Blake. State must deliver all discovery by July 15. Prior says he needs at least 30 days to go through all that as he expects it to be voluminous. Further, he has seen nothing from the Grand Jury, but expects that material will also be voluminous, so he'd like longer, perhaps 60 days to prepare. Judge Boyce set Sept 10 as the due date for filing all motions to be heard at the pretrial, to give the State time to respond. Pretrial conference hearing set on 9/29/21 & trial will begin on 11/8/21 thru 12/17/21 with 11/11 & 11/25 as holidays. 7/1/21: Murder: Pretrial conference on 9/29/21 moved to 9/30/21.
    6/28/21 Filed: Reservation of rights & defenses (Means also filed reservation of rights and defenses. Puts court on notice that Vallow is not waiving her right to defense against charges she is facing, despite her cases being on hold while she is rehabilitated); Specific discovery pursuant to Idaho Criminal Rule 16; Notice to transfer trial filed by Means & wants oral arguments & a motion hearing set & Certificate of Service re: Specific Discovery pursuant to ID Criminal Rule 16.
    7/13/21: Murder: Order allowing unsealing of Motion for Pro Hac Vice & Order granting Pro Hac Vice admission. 7/21/21: Motion for Change of Venue. Motion: for grand jury transcript. 7/27/21 Update: Co-lead prosecutors Rob Wood & Lindsey Blake have until 8/8/21 to seek the death penalty in case against Daybell. 7/27/21: Motion for Pro Hac Vice admission. 7/27/21: Order sealing State's motion & memorandum objecting to the entry of appearance of counsel & for a finding of conflict-Granted. 7/28/21: Granted motion for Pro Hac Vice admission; Rachel Smith is part of murder case.
    7/29/21: The original charges after the kids' bodies were discovered have now been dismissed. The evidence concealment charges have been dismissed without prejudice against Chad & Lori Daybell this enables prosecutors to focus on the more serious murder charges. Nothing else in the case changes.
    8/5/21 Update: Prosecutors in Fremont County, Idaho, announced Thursday that they intend to seek the death penalty against Daybell. Documents on the death penalty say prosecutors reached a fourfold rationale for seeking maximum punishment: (1) the three alleged murders were “committed for remuneration”; (2) the alleged murders were “especially heinous, heinous, cruel or manifesting exceptional depravity”; (3) the alleged murders or the “circumstances surrounding their commission” involved the defendant’s display of “utter disregard for human life”; and (4) that the defendant exhibited “a propensity to commit murder & is likely to constitute an ongoing threat to society.”
    8/6/21: Order for preparation of grand jury transcript. 8/6/21: Order: Upon consideration of issues raised by counsel regarding the Defendants’ case numbers & administrative proceedings in the cases, the Court issues the following order. For purposes of conducting a jury trial, the cases of State of Idaho v. Chad Guy Daybeil. CR22-21-l623; and State of Idaho v. Lori Norene Vallow Daybell. CR22-21-1624: are currently joined. However. for administrative purposes & in order to protect Defendants’ full panoply of rights including due process protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution & the Idaho State Constitution. each Defendant has a unique case & unique case number. It is therefore ordered & confirmed that Fremont County Case No. CR22-21-l623 State v. Chad Guy Daybell & Case No. CR22-2l-l624 State v. Lori Noreen Vallow Daybell are two separate cases before the District Court in Fremont County. Idaho Regardless of the single indictment. The defendants are however joined for purposes of trial Pursuant to l.C.R. 8(b).It is further ordered that Counsel are directed to file all subsequent pleadings in each case captioning only that individual Defendant’s respective case number & name. 8/9/21: First & second Supplemental Discovery Disclosure.
    8/19/21 Update: Motions hearing 8/30/21 @ 3:30pm. Motions hearing on 9/20/21, pretrial hearing on 9/30/21 & motions hearing re change of venue on 10/5/21. 8/23/21: Daybell waives his right to a speedy trial. 8/26/21: Order to Close Hearing & Seal Record.
     
  15. Onsdag

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    Excellent questions. And how do they reconcile their father caught on video surveillance playfully slapping Lori Vallow's bottom... while their mother is still alive? Or eye witness accounts of Lori and their dad holding hands and kissing at the BYU-Idaho campus... again while their mother is still alive? What kind of faithfulness (or lack thereof) does that speak towards his marriage covenants? Or perhaps they don't think Chad was the person seen in the video, or they think Melani Gibb was lying about what she witnessed? Well how about Tammy's life insurance which their father increased shortly before her untimely death? Surely that raises eyebrows and concerns for them, doesn't it?And what of the rushed funeral? Or the rushed and secretive marriage to Lori afterwards, where he flits off to Hawaii and marries this woman within two weeks after their mother had been laid to rest?

    Not to mention, as you so rightly pointed out, how the heck did Chad's soon-to-be new wife's two children end up so gruesomely murdered and covertly buried on HIS property... yet again while Tammy was still alive and well?!?

    Insane! I know if Chad was my father I'd be asking him some pretty pointed questions and demanding answers about his behavior and activities during this time frame. This isn't about being delicate, or sensitive towards maintaining familial relations with your father, this is about murdered children, and quite possibly (insofar as evidence has been made available publicly) about a murdered mother. Surely, if you're being honest with yourself, you must acknowledge that evidence strongly supports that your father has more than just a passing involvement in these children's disappearance, death, and burial... in HIS back yard. I'm really struggling to see how anyone could see otherwise.

    JMO.
     
  16. Lusitana

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    How can they stand by their father's side and not admit that he participated in the murders of their own mother and two innocent children? That's insane and disgusting. He was caught with TWO dead children burried in his property.

    It's one thing to say, "I don't know if he's involved, I hope he isn't, the person I know wouldn't be capable of doing something like this" and it's another thing to say "no, he didn't do it". Come on, he killed their mother!
     
  17. indicolite22

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    BBM. They were asked the exact question in the interview, but the teaser clip doesn't include the answer. Perhaps Chad's children were told that he had been seduced by Lori, tricked by her and Alex, and that some of the alarming facts (Tammy dying and life insurance increase) were just coincidence. You need to operate on blind faith to believe something extremely unlikely to be true.

    ETA: Maybe the children will wake up when Chad's upbeat text about Tammy's falling "death percentage" is presented in court. He was looking forward to her death.
     
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  18. Kemug

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    Interesting thoughts.
     
  19. mickey2942

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    The fact that the Daybell children support their Father doesn't surprise me at all. This is where knowing the culture of the family, religious beliefs, and values comes into understanding the mindset.

    I won't go further into this, but understanding the LDS faith and culture is so much a part of this entire situation.
     
  20. Kemug

    Kemug Well-Known Member

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    They may believe that their father is innocent, but they don't know, because they weren't there.
     
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