ID ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

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  1. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Only thing I can answer is about Colby. He apparently read about it in the news about the shooting. Noone rang him and told him.
     


  2. KonaHonu

    KonaHonu Well-Known Member

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    FWIW I'm not convinced CV changed his mind. In Arizona if divorce case remains inactive for a period of time (~60 days maybe) it "goes away." I'm not sure exactly what happens technically but it is possible that CV simply did not follow through while trying to get LV some help.
     
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    KonaHonu Well-Known Member

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    FWIW I'm not convinced CV changed his mind. In Arizona if divorce case remains inactive for a period of time (~60 days maybe) it "goes away." I'm not sure exactly what happens technically but it is possible that CV simply did not follow through while trying to get LV some help.
     
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  4. Rush4087

    Rush4087 Well-Known Member

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    It just seems incredulous to me that AZ police bought, or couldn't (or didn't)
    through the course of their investigation, refute, the AC self-defense claim in the shooting of CV. This,

    despite there apparently being no adult witness present other than Lori. I have yet to see any absolute proof that the children were eye witnesses to the shooting. Unless they were actual eye witnesses, they would not have been able to absolutely confirm Lori and Alex's version of events. Granted, they might not have been able to absolutely dispute it (say if they'd been out front), but they would not have been able to absolutely confirm it, and,

    despite AC having been previously arrested, convicted, and incarcerated for violently assaulting one of Lori's previous husbands (using a stun gun twice on JR, breaking his ribs, and threatening his life), and,

    despite numerous claims made by CV to his attorney in Jan '19 in preparation for the Feb '19 divorce filing that Lori was unstable, that Lori had said she was a translated being who could not taste death, that Lori had threatened to murder CV, that Lori thought CV (or his body?) was actually some other person named Nick Schneider who had killed CV and taken over his identity, that Lori had said that she had an angel who would help her dispose of CV's body, and that Lori had threatened to ruin CV financially (which would seem unnecessary if CV were in fact Nick.., but I digress), and,

    despite CV's Feb '19 filing / attempt to have Lori held and evaluated at a psych hospital for at least 72 hours (btw, why, after being contacted by staff at the psych hospital, were Gilbert, AZ police unable to bring Lori in for the hold and evaluation?), and,

    despite in Feb '19 (while reportedly fearing for his life) CV's filing of a protective order against Lori (another "btw": why was this order not served by LE? apparently "lawyers tried to find her"..), and,

    despite CV in Feb '19 stating (in that same protective order) that "I want to make sure that everyone knows that if something happens to me, Lori & Alex did it"

    Really?

    And given the above, wouldn't ANY witness account of the incident given by Alex, Lori, or her children be viewed with some degree of suspicion? There certainly were reasons to suspect that AC and Lori might've lied. There certainly were reasons to suspect that AC and Lori might've attempted to influence the children's statements (if they were even sought?).

    If I understand correctly, AZ police in effect closed the investigation (I guess by simply not disputing the self defense claim), but have now re-opened it. When did they close the investigation? Did they decide to not dispute the claim, or did they not really investigate the claim? Idk..maybe CV's personality and credibility did play a role in their decision. Nobody's saying.

    But if their earlier investigation had perhaps been haphazard or less than thorough (I'm sure like many PD's they have limited resources), what incentive would they now have to reinvestigate the incident and possibly arrive at a different conclusion?
     
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  5. BigAl16

    BigAl16 Well-Known Member

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    I've got a guess. :D

    Edit: If you add a space between the colon : and the upper case D it will fix it.
     
  6. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    Indeed. I’m inclined to give LE the benefit of the doubt. But there’s no doubt to give re the “investigation” of CV’s death. If the had just done some background digging they would know AC had committed violent crimes and threatened the life of Lori’s 3rd ex-husband. And found the court papers indicating Lori had threatened CV’s life directly. It makes me furious! Had they done even a mediocre job, I believe Tylee and JJ would be safe today.
     
  7. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    The first visit by LE re the kids was 19 Nov IIRC then they returned on 26th and spoke to Lori and Chad then after checking the Az location for the kids, who were not there, returned on 27th, found Lori and Chad gone so searched the apartments IIRC.
     
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    diggndeeperstill Well-Known Member

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    diggndeeperstill Well-Known Member

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  10. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I'm not sure the divorce paperwork would have even been available to LE as CV had pulled it way before then. Maybe CV's lawyer should have provided it to LE in July after CV's death though. If he did provide the evidence to LE at that time and LE ignored it, then I believe there has been some fault there. If LE were not aware of that document then how could they be at fault? Did KVW tell LE about those threats at the time of Charles's death?
     
  11. Dontknow?

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    I guess where I'm coming from is it was a they said case, But the LE kept it open to investigate. Lori and JC left AZ within 6 weeks while it remained open. They most likely were investigating those 6 weeks into both LV and JC's past. Then, they have to have proof before they take it to the DA. Maybe they did and the DA wanted more. Maricopa CO is not a small place. 4.3 million people.

    Maybe Chandler and Gilbert didn't share info at first because JC wasn't mentioned in BB's shooting but the Jeep was registered to CV which clued them in. Then the next sad event, Tammy died 17 days after BB's drive by. There are a lot of drive by's in Maricopa sadly. But I think they were putting it together.and even more information keeps coming in.

    Heck, many of the cases we follow here take years to ever get an arrest. jmo
     
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  12. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    I don’t think the LE personnel “investigating” CV’s death ever raised a flag of concern. Timing is more consistent w/ID LE being alerted by those investigating the shots fired at BB.

    As posted earlier in this thread, LE issued a recent statement still contending AC killed CV in self defense. The go on to say the case is only still open because the missing kids. What with BB’s investigators actually doing their job and all, IMO CV’s investigators have basically admitted they’d close the case now but don’t want to look bad. I don’t think they are doing any additional investigation, nor will they unless some other agency insists.

    MOO
     
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    Redvines86 Well-Known Member

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    I think if Tammy's autopsy comes back clear we could go years not knowing anything.
     
  14. fred&edna

    fred&edna Simply convoluted

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    I don't know if this is visible (not great a posting screenshots :() nor do I know if it's been shared already. But after questioning and releasing Lori and Alex, the case (of Charles Vallow's shooting) was sent to the county attorney. The county attorney has an office full of people to investigate... no? I guess I just didn't realize it automatically went to the DA. Tyler said the case would be sent to the DA for review. This case was not just left in the hands of police detectives.

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  15. GoneGoldfishin'

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    Because when a homicide occurs, it's a good idea to do a basic investigation, which would include at a bare minimum court and arrest records of the involved parties. Moo.
     
  16. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    Charles has two active listings with California. Go here and enter Vallow in the search
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  18. Rush4087

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    Good point. I don't know what info is recorded once a filing is made, and if that info would deleted from the record once a filing is withdrawn.

    I cannot imagine however that CV's attorney, knowing all of this, did not approach LE upon learning that CV had been shot and killed, and that his wife had been present at the time.

    And I would think that the information in the issued "hold and evaluate" psych order and the info in the issued protection order (even if somehow withdrawn later as well) would've been available to LE, but Idk.
     
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  19. mickey2942

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    It wouldn't surprise me, if LEO do know where Chad and Lori are, and are trying to figure out a strategy to meet with them.

    They probably don't want another "Ruby Ridge" debacle. And there really is not a legitimate reason to charge them with anything at this time, or "force" Lori to produce JJ.

    It is a waiting game.
     
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  20. diggndeeperstill

    diggndeeperstill Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the help!
    Can you tell when it ended? I can’t.
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