Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18

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I'm actually inclined to say one person. If it were two people, you could just role up and shoot from the passenger side or back seats. If it's one person, it would make more sense why they used the back window: to get a clear shot from over the seats, while also not placing the gun out the window.
BB states he saw the rifle with silencer sticking out the window. Holding a rifle from the front seat isn't likely to to be sticking out the back window so I think the shooter is in the back.

The fact that the Jeep then gives chase indicates to me someone else is driving. If it was only one person he/she would have to put down the gun and move to the front seat at which point that Tesla is out of sight, they have unbelievable acceleration.

All MOO.
 
I hope we get some new information at the presser tonight. The time is painfully dragging by and I hope the wait will bring answers. I have a feeling she will not cooperate, though. Given her behavior of thumbing her nose at LE, trotting off to HI, and shamelessly showing off herself publicly, we may never get the truth. Wonder what’ll take to rattle a monster like this?
 
Most prepper and antigovernment groups are well aware of this alleged loophole and I'm sure some of LV's family members have theorized about how it might be utilized, but I can't see how it applies here. That area is remote, as in, you can't get to it from any of the official gates or main routes. There's a campground at the very southern edge that's a short hike in from the end of a road that starts in ??Ashton??? ID but it's nowhere near an official gate.

I don't wanna think about what might have happened but if you Google "Colin Scott" from Oregon you might get a clue.
Didn't Lori say at one point that they were never going to find them? This would be a reason why, when you referenced Colin.
 
The one thing that strikes me is that both of Lori's spouses, Ryan and Vallow, felt inclined to get custody of the respective children, Tylee and JJ.

That means that neither one of those men felt that Lori was a capable Mother. That is a big deal to me, for two separate men who were married to Lori, felt that way.
Additionally, Lori was extremely craftly working the legal system. She danced around all those court documents that JR and CV filed. When I hear people talk about "the former Lori', and how sweet she was etc etc......... I feel disgust. IMO, this woman was born a "bad seed" and has manipulated and abused many people into believing she was something else along her path for a very very long time
Would Tylee have even been noticed if Woodcocks had not started the welfare check for JJ?
Certainly what i have said many times...........if it wasn't for the Woodcocks..who knows what would be. In some ways it is still a bit strange that even the Woodcocks waited as long as they did, since they were so close to jj... I forget the exact amount of time after that "30 second facetime conversation" before they called authorities... but when you have real regular communication with family members, you kindof get worried with a week or so... who knows.
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This story will most likely be her defense. She will now say that her brother most likely killed the children and disposed of their bodies in retaliation.
But how does she explain not coming forward with that info immediately, or at least after her brother’s death, presuming fear of him prior prevented it. I don’t see that argument holding water.
 
I wonder who the driver was.....Melani or Tylee ????....moo

Tylee hadn't been seen since Sept 8th. BB was shot at on Oct 2nd. After reading the charging documents and realizing how buddy-buddy Chad and Alex apparently were, I'm wondering if the driver was possibly Chad. Tammy was on break for the Spud Harvest and Chad told her to go see her parents, which she did on Oct 4-5th. What if Chad claimed he had a work-related thing and that why Tammy should go see her parents while he was traveling? We know that Chad had book-signings and spoke at conferences for the group that cannot be named and Tammy was not there with him when he did those appearances. It would be so easy for Chad to lie to Tammy about where he was going. MOO.
 
But as the driver, he wouldn't be pulling the actual trigger. Just one of the things rolling around in my head...I haven't convinced myself yet, either. Oct 2 was a Wednesday, so it's a fairly inconvenient date for someone who keeps regular hours somewhere, though I don't think Chad did.
And it was around 8 or 9 a.m. IIRC so they would have had to leave Rexburg and drive down on the 1st Oct if it was Tylee, Lori, Alex or Chad. Melani was still there in Az then.
 
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Anyone, especially active Mormons, have any clue why she would have her record transferred to a new ward, but Chad wouldn't? (Why not JJ and Tylee is a good question as well.)

When a member moves, they just need to inform the new ward clerk & they can move records ( or you can inform your previous ward of new address)

I keep thinking / wishing this news wasn’t real. It’s unbelievably horrible
 
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Would Tylee have even been noticed if Woodcocks had not started the welfare check for JJ?
And Grammie and Grampie Woodcock are only 2 of the 8 grandparents of these missing kids. I don't know how many of the grandparents are alive or what their relationships are but I find it odd not to have contact with family over Thanksgiving and Christmas. MOO

Edit: changed "I don't know how many of them are alive..." to "...how many grandparents are alive". I really wish I didn't have to expressly make that clear but it didn't read right.
 
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Today is very revealing, as I wait for news on LVD's hearing and the Kauai Press Conference. I sit here reading so many new details on social media, Justin Lum, Nate Eaton and several inside sources. Everything I read is so profound my stomach is ill. I am sure you are all reading the same information so will not post here, but it's pretty evident these 2 were Devil's in sheep's clothing. I hope not a cent of TD's life insurance policy goes to LVD's bond, the thought of that is just too much. I have made a few reply posts in this forum, but have pretty much just read everyone else's thoughts, findings and comments. Today I just want to say a prayer for the kids, LW & KW and even CR as he no doubt has to be feeling things, learning things that will haunt and devastate him forever. I also pray LVD & CV rot in hell and pray AZ LE have things in motion to insure these Devil's are tried, convicted and locked away never to see the light of day. Thanks for reading my rant and please join me in saying a prayer.
 
Do you need ID to withdraw from your child’s bank account? I know when my kids were under a certain age I could access their accounts with ID. I never did it but I’m assuming as my name was on their accounts also I could have withdrawn money ‘on their behalf’. MOO
Or do you need birth certificates for get Social Security money?
 
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Certainly what i have said many times...........if it wasn't for the Woodcocks..who knows what would be. In some ways it is still a bit strange that even the Woodcocks waited as long as they did, since they were so close to jj... I forget the exact amount of time after that "30 second facetime conversation" before they called authorities... but when you have real regular communication with family members, you kindof get worried with a week or so... who knows.
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Kay shared in the dateline special that until she logged into CV's amazon account and happened to see Lori using it with an up-to-date delivery address, she had no idea where in the world Lori had taken JJ. You can't ask for a welfare check if you don't know where someone should be :(
 
Anyone, especially active Mormons, have any clue why she would have her record transferred to a new ward, but Chad wouldn't? (Why not JJ and Tylee is a good question as well.)

Maybe Chad actually was excommunicated.

So... there are many reasons to not move the records. Personal choice is one of them. Maybe there's something he doesn't want people to see on the record. Maybe it wasn't moved to hide his location.

I happen to know he wasn't excommunicated. I can't say more. I have an evidence-backed theory as to why he hasn't moved his record, but I can't share it here. VI status - you can accept that or not. LE may be able to subpoena for more information regarding his records (see below). All I can say is I confirm what has been reported that his record is (currently) not in the ward in Hawaii.

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Oh my gosh! I feel sick and I hope this isn't against the rules to post about. But I just discovered that the group Chad regularly did speaking conferences for, the one that we can't name here anymore due to the cease and desist request, had an event in Yellowstone in Sept 2019. :eek::eek::eek:

Now this group that we're not going to mention by name, stated in their press release that Chad last spoke for them in Feb 2019 and they are no longer affiliated with Chad in anyway. But that doesn't mean Chad (and Lori by association) stopped attending their conferences after Feb. So what I really, really want to know now is-- was Chad in Yellowstone in Sept 2019? o_O

ETA: we probably need to proceed with caution in sleuthing this rabbit hole, but if anyone finds some evidence Chad or others associated with Lori went to that event in Yellowstone in Sept please send in a tip to the FBI or the Rexburg PD.

MOO.
 
Just spoke to an agent at Elite Pacific Properties in Kauai. The condo Lori and Chad stayed in since mid-December is now in escrow. Contingencies must be met but the property has been listed for sale for about 143 days. What does this mean for Chad?

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Hopefully there is a jail cell available.
 
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