Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by Patch Tuesday, Dec 20, 2019.
Deleted By Me. You can use it for deleting any post including duplicates
Hi Sleuthers, I'm sure others have thought of this, but I will mention it anyway... I worry about Lori getting out of the Rexburg jail for MANY reasons, but I just thought of another one.
- If someone is following her, and kidnaps her, or shoots her, then there goes the main source of info for finding the kids. I'm guessing that Chad knows, and probably Christopher Parrett knows. But still, if I were her, I think I would feel safer staying in my little cell. JMO.
C'mon, no one is going to kidnap or shoot her. (she will get vibed out to high heaven tho, excuse the pun)
She could have a bad ending at her own hand, or abscond, it's true, but I think anything nefarious would be on herself.
Lori and Chad love themselves so d@#% much, I don’t think they would ever do that!
Wish we could make T shirts with this photo in them that say: “ Lori, where are they now?” , send them to folks in Rexburg to wear.
I think it safe to say AVOW will protect her and that they well armed. It is, MOO, one of the FBI’s concerns.
Epstein did, (unless you think he didn't kill himself) ... Lori does put up an excellent air of "I frankly don't give a damn" persona, and she's got a verified cold heart, but the reality of the situation WILL sink in.
Yeah, right about now it's fixin to be Spring Time, and as such a pretty good time to set up a white tent city, circle the wagons, and protect the damsel in distress. #OrNot
The way some of the major players in this whole fringe group are distancing themselves, I'm not sure. But I'm also on the fence. CP though needs to maintain his lifestyle so I'm not sure which way he will eventually go. Will he choose the all powerful temple recommend over his lifestyle? Jmo
KSL TV here in Utah is very non-controversial.
Garna Mejia did an outstanding job of covering the decoy car without actually accusing anyone of deception and without any emotional response. She was clearly determined to cover this, she was out there waiting for over 4 hours with all the rest of the media. Skillful Reporting and production. Idaho Authorities Allegedly Used Decoy Vehicle To Transport Lori Vallow
Nate Eaton on Twitter
Interesting that Sosa has cut off his public and online adventures related to Chad, but Parrett seems much more involved and has posted a couple fully supportive letters, the latest one claiming vindication IIRC. I'm not sure how fast, or if at all, the LDS Church will act on any of this... It's a good question. I tend to think they will bury their head in the sand and ride it out, bad publicity be damned. But it's as offensive as giving Lori her makeup and Chad special parking privileges.
Section 16-1602 – Idaho State Legislature
CHILD PROTECTIVE ACT
16-1602. DEFINITIONS. For purposes of this chapter:
(1) "Abused" means any case in which a child has been the victim of:
(a) Conduct or omission resulting in skin bruising, bleeding, malnutrition, burns, fracture of any bone, head injury, soft tissue swelling, failure to thrive or death, and such condition or death is not justifiably explained, or where the history given concerning such condition or death is at variance with the degree or type of such condition or death, or the circumstances indicate that such condition or death may not be the product of an accidental occurrence; or
(b) Sexual conduct, including rape, molestation, incest, prostitution, obscene or pornographic photographing, filming or depiction for commercial purposes, human trafficking as defined in section 18-8602, Idaho Code, or other similar forms of sexual exploitation harming or threatening the child’s health or welfare or mental injury to the child.
(2) "Abandoned" means the failure of the parent to maintain a normal parental relationship with his child including, but not limited to, reasonable support or regular personal contact. Failure to maintain this relationship without just cause for a period of one (1) year shall constitute prima facie evidence of abandonment.
(3) "Adaptive equipment" means any piece of equipment or any item that is used to increase, maintain or improve the parenting capabilities of a parent with a disability.
(4) "Adjudicatory hearing" means a hearing to determine:
(a) Whether the child comes under the jurisdiction of the court pursuant to the provisions of this chapter;
(b) Whether continuation of the child in the home would be contrary to the child’s welfare and whether the best interest of the child requires protective supervision or vesting legal custody of the child in an authorized agency.
(5) "Age of developmentally appropriate" means:
(a) Activities that are generally accepted as suitable for children of the same chronological age or level of maturity or that are determined to be developmentally appropriate for a child, based on the development of cognitive, emotional, physical and behavioral capacities that are typical for an age or age group; and
(b) In the case of a specific child, activities or items that are suitable for the child based on the developmental stages attained by the child with respect to the cognitive, emotional, physical and behavioral capacities of the child.
(6) "Aggravated circumstances" includes, but is not limited to:
(a) Circumstances in which the parent has engaged in any of the following:
(i) Abandonment, chronic abuse or chronic neglect of the child. Chronic neglect or chronic abuse of a child shall consist of abuse or neglect that is so extreme or repetitious as to indicate that return of the child to the home would result in unacceptable risk to the health and welfare of the child.
(ii) Sexual abuse against a child of the parent. Sexual abuse, for the purposes of this section, includes any conduct described in section 18-1506, 18-1506A, 18-1507, 18-1508, 18-1508A, 18-6101, 18-6608 or 18-8602, Idaho Code.
(iii) Torture of a child; any conduct listed in section 18-8303(1), Idaho Code; battery or an injury to a child that results in serious or great bodily injury to a child; voluntary manslaughter of a child, or aiding or abetting such voluntary manslaughter, soliciting such voluntary manslaughter or attempting or conspiring to commit such voluntary manslaughter;
(b) The parent has committed murder, aided or abetted a murder, solicited a murder or attempted or conspired to commit murder; or
(c) The parental rights of the parent to another child have been terminated involuntarily.
(7) "Authorized agency" means the department, a local agency, a person, an organization, corporation, benevolent society or association licensed or approved by the department or the court to receive children for control, care, maintenance or placement.
(8) "Caregiver" means a foster parent with whom a child in foster care has been placed or a designated official for a child care institution in which a child in foster care has been placed.
(9) "Case plan hearing" means a hearing to approve, modify or reject the case plan as provided in section 16-1621, Idaho Code.
(10) "Child" means an individual who is under the age of eighteen (18) years.
(11) "Child advocacy center" or "CAC" means an organization that adheres to national best practice standards established by the national membership and accrediting body for children’s advocacy centers and that promotes a comprehensive and coordinated multidisciplinary team response to allegations of child abuse by maintaining a child-friendly facility at which appropriate services are provided. These services may include forensic interviews, forensic medical examinations, mental health services and other related victim services.
(12) "Circumstances of the child" includes, but is not limited to, the joint legal custody or joint physical custody of the child.
(13) "Commit" means to transfer legal and physical custody.
(14) "Concurrent planning" means a planning model that prepares for and implements different outcomes at the same time.
(15) "Court" means district court or magistrate’s division thereof, or if the context requires, a magistrate or judge thereof.
(16) "Custodian" means a person, other than a parent or legal guardian, to whom legal or joint legal custody of the child has been given by court order.
(17) "Department" means the department of health and welfare and its authorized representatives.
(18) "Disability" means, with respect to an individual, any mental or physical impairment that substantially limits one (1) or more major life activity of the individual including, but not limited to, self-care, manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, learning or working, or a record of such an impairment, or being regarded as having such an impairment. Disability shall not include transvestism, transsexualism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, other sexual behavior disorders, or substance use disorders, compulsive gambling, kleptomania or pyromania. Sexual preference or orientation is not considered an impairment or disability. Whether an impairment substantially limits a major life activity shall be determined without consideration of the effect of corrective or mitigating measures used to reduce the effects of the impairment.
(19) "Family or household member" shall have the same meaning as in section 39-6303(6), Idaho Code.
(20) "Foster care" means twenty-four (24) hour substitute parental care for children placed away from their parents or guardians by persons who may or may not be related to the children and for whom the state agency has placement and care responsibility.
(21) "Foster parent" means a person or persons licensed to provide foster care.
(22) "Grant administrator" means the supreme court or any organization or agency as may be designated by the supreme court in accordance with such procedures as may be adopted by the supreme court. The grant administrator shall administer funds from the guardian ad litem account in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
(23) "Guardian ad litem" means a person appointed by the court pursuant to a guardian ad litem volunteer program to act as special advocate for a child under this chapter.
(24) "Guardian ad litem coordinator" means a person or entity receiving moneys from the grant administrator for the purpose of carrying out any of the duties set forth in section 16-1632, Idaho Code.
(25) "Guardian ad litem program" means the program to recruit, train and coordinate volunteer persons to serve as guardians ad litem for abused, neglected or abandoned children.
(26) "Homeless," as used in this chapter, shall mean that the child is without adequate shelter or other living facilities, and the lack of such shelter or other living facilities poses a threat to the health, safety or well-being of the child.
(27) "Idaho network of children’s advocacy centers" means an organization that provides education and technical assistance to child advocacy centers and to interagency multidisciplinary teams developed pursuant to section 16-1617, Idaho Code.
(28) "Law enforcement agency" means a city police department, the prosecuting attorney of any county, state law enforcement officers, or the office of a sheriff of any county.
(29) "Legal custody" means a relationship created by court order, which vests in a custodian the following rights and responsibilities:
(a) To have physical custody and control of the child, and to determine where and with whom the child shall live.
(b) To supply the child with food, clothing, shelter and incidental necessities.
(c) To provide the child with care, education and discipline.
(d) To authorize ordinary medical, dental, psychiatric, psychological, or other remedial care and treatment for the child, including care and treatment in a facility with a program of services for children, and to authorize surgery if the surgery is deemed by two (2) physicians licensed to practice in this state to be necessary for the child.
(e) Where the parents share legal custody, the custodian may be vested with the custody previously held by either or both parents.
(30) "Mental injury" means a substantial impairment in the intellectual or psychological ability of a child to function within a normal range of performance and/or behavior, for short or long terms.
(31) "Neglected" means a child:
(a) Who is without proper parental care and control, or subsistence, medical or other care or control necessary for his well-being because of the conduct or omission of his parents, guardian or other custodian or their neglect or refusal to provide them; however, no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone in lieu of medical treatment shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care necessary for his health and well-being, but this subsection shall not prevent the court from acting pursuant to section 16-1627, Idaho Code; or
(b) Whose parents, guardian or other custodian are unable to discharge their responsibilities to and for the child and, as a result of such inability, the child lacks the parental care necessary for his health, safety or well-being; or
(c) Who has been placed for care or adoption in violation of law; or
(d) Who is without proper education because of the failure to comply with section 33-202, Idaho Code.
(32) "Permanency hearing" means a hearing to review, approve, reject or modify the permanency plan of the department, and review reasonable efforts in accomplishing the permanency plan.
(33) "Permanency plan" means a plan for a continuous residence and maintenance of nurturing relationships during the child’s minority.
(34) "Protective order" means an order issued by the court in a child protection case, prior to the adjudicatory hearing, to enable the child to remain in the home pursuant to section 16-1615(8), Idaho Code, or following an adjudicatory hearing to preserve the unity of the family and to ensure the best interests of the child, pursuant to section 16-1619(10), Idaho Code. Such an order shall be in the same form and have the same effect as a domestic violence protection order issued pursuant to chapter 63, title 39, Idaho Code. A protective order shall be for a period not to exceed three (3) months unless otherwise stated in the order.
(35) "Protective supervision" is a legal status created by court order in a child protective case whereby the child is in the legal custody of his or her parent(s), guardian(s) or other legal custodian(s), subject to supervision by the department.
(36) "Psychotropic medication" means a drug prescribed to affect psychological functioning, perception, behavior or mood. Psychotropic medications include, but are not limited to, antidepressants, mood stabilizers, antipsychotics, antianxiety medications, sedatives and stimulants.
(37) "Reasonable and prudent parent standard" means the standard of care characterized by careful and sensible parental decisions that maintain the health, safety and best interests of a child while simultaneously encouraging the emotional and developmental growth of the child that a caregiver shall use when determining whether to allow a child in foster care under the responsibility of the state to participate in extracurricular, enrichment, cultural or social activities.
(38) "Relative" means a child’s grandparent, great grandparent, aunt, great aunt, uncle, great uncle, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, first cousin, sibling and half-sibling.
(39) "Residual parental rights and responsibilities" means those rights and responsibilities remaining with the parents after the transfer of legal custody including, but not necessarily limited to, the right of visitation, the right to consent to adoption, the right to determine religious affiliation, the right to family counseling when beneficial, and the responsibility for support.
(40) "Shelter care" means places designated by the department for temporary care of children pending court disposition or placement.
(41) "Supportive services," as used in this chapter, shall mean services that assist parents with a disability to compensate for those aspects of their disability that affect their ability to care for their child and that will enable them to discharge their parental responsibilities. The term includes specialized or adapted training, evaluations or assistance with effectively using adaptive equipment and accommodations that allow parents with a disability to benefit from other services including, but not limited to, Braille texts or sign language interpreters.
That's a good point, and probably the main reason for all the police protection.
I sure noticed the things LEOs are doing to protect Lori ..
- a decoy ride from the airplane to the jail. (Is this typical? I don't watch that many prisoner transports.)
- a bulletproof vest.
Why are they doing this? To prevent someone from trying to free her? And the bulletproof vest in case she gets caught in the cross fire? (too much TV on my part)
I guess that, the more I think about it, if someone in the public were to make a creepy gesture, it would be something more like, spraying her with paint? or pepper spray? Just guessing.
I would think the bullet proof vest would be to keep someone from trying to "take justice into their own hands". She is one hated lady. MOO
This case makes me really sad. The bond between the siblings seemed really strong, Colby, Tylee and JJ really loved each other and it looks like they got along well. She didn't have to do this. JJ had people that would gladly care for him and love him, and Tylee was a big girl, she didn't really need Lori to survive. I can't imagine how much Colby is suffering and how betrayed he feels.
They have a duty of care for Lori since she's in their custody so I get the extra precautions. Nate and Dateline probably got special treatment at the airport as part of their agreement to keep quiet on Lori and Chad's location in Kauai until LE gave the OK. That is fair.
On the other hand, misleading other news organiztions was a mistake IMO. If LE can't or won't say, tell them that but don't lie about it. It breaks a trust that LE may need to rely on from those news organizations in the future.
As far a Chad's special treatment. Yeah, that one gets my goat. Kay has been named and targeted as the reason for Chad and Lori's troubles by Christopher Parrett in an anti-government forum he runs with some members who dispaly a cult-like behavior. Chad is considered one of their "leaders." Brandon Boudreaux has been shot at by someone suspected of being a part of that cult-like group and has been in hiding. So yeah, I think the threat to Kay, Brandon and any other family member who has been outspoken against Chad and Lori is very valid and should be taken seriously.
Again, I think Chad's attorney pulled in some favors but it's not a good look all things considered. Hope they don't do it again. MOO
It's possible they were advised by the FBI, as much to prevent an escape attempt by AVOW adherents as much as anyone wishing her harm. MOO
ETA: Hopefully a moot point, hoping she can't pull in a mil in $ and property to bail out before trial.
I think it says a great deal Chads family hasn’t pooled it together, because they could have. AVOW could, but I don’t think they will. I don’t think most will put their money where their mouth is. MOO
Thank you for your kind words. I just want to clarify that I am NOT a moderator here. I'm just a very active member.
I wish that we had more details on Lori's employment history but it has been hard to figure out how to put it in the timeline when we don't have any details as to places and dates she worked. There were some more details of some volunteer work that her attorney mentioned in the hearing that I need to go back and grab.
Some info that I think is not in the posted timeline yet (but will be in the next update I post) is info about her high school and her first husband that has come out recently. Here's a link: Exclusive: Lori Vallow Daybell Went from 'Devout' Cheerleader to 'a Mystery,' High School Friend Says
What I find interesting is that she talked about going to college at BYU but she never went to college. Instead she married a non-Mormon and that marriage ended in divorce. I would love to know how her parents reacted to her first marriage and divorce and what they had offered her (or not offered her) as far as support to go to college. Lori's parents have been completely silent in all of this chaos-- not once have they spoken to the press and no one has really even talked about her parents in the press either except for that high school friend in the above link. Many have taken that as a sign that they are possibly supportive of her. But what if Lori's parents basically cut her off (money-wise) when she made the choice to marry a non-Mormon instead of going to college?
We see them all together (Lori with her siblings and her parents) in a photo at Lori and Charles' house-- the house where Colby got married in the backyard-- but what if Lori parents only reconnected with her after she married Charles and he converted to be Mormon too? Maybe they finally gave Lori the approval she was wanting so she has kept up this charade of being religious since then. I'm rambling a bit but this all ties into Lori's employment history. The following is my speculation only: I think she grew up with money but was possibly cut off from that family money and the lifestyle she was accustomed to after she chose to get married to her high school sweetheart rather than go to BYU. The marriage ended in divorce and she was probably left desperate for a high-priced lifestyle again.
There were not many careers options for a woman in the 1990's with only a high school degree who doesn't want to do any manual labor and has no past office-work history. She didn't have a HS job, as far as we know, and didn't do volunteer work in HS or belong to any academic clubs that would have given her transferable job skills and business connections. She's not tech-savvy, despite growing up in a time when computers were beginning to take over everything. And she left her hometown after her 1st marriage ended. I think she chose cosmetology because looking good was what she knew how to do best, it didn't involve any special skills and didn't cost a lot to get started. Plus, it allowed her to meet a variety of people, some who might have money. Maybe she would have liked to try modeling but she was not tall enough (at least by the 90's standards) but sex work was never an option that crossed her mind IMO.
I think Lori mostly wanted a high-priced lifestyle with minimal effort required of her and kept marrying richer men hoping to find that but she was never satisfied. She never figured out how to be content with less money. She divorced Joe because "he didn't make enough money" but we found out Joe was actually pretty successful and he had the ability to fight for legal custody of Tylee for many years in civil courts, which is something most lower-income single parents can't afford to do. I think Joe simply didn't give Lori enough money for her liking, so she moved on to someone she perceived to be richer. She had to work as a hairdresser for a little while before she found her next husband. We heard that she met Charles while she was cutting hair.
Charles completely spoiled and pampered Lori from everything we saw-- whatever Lori wanted, Lori got when she was with CV. CV payed to fight the civil custody suits. CV moved to Kauai and attempted to start a business there because it was Lori's dream. CV converted to LDS because of Lori. She had him wrapped around her little finger but it apparently wasn't enough for her. When the Kauai business venture didn't work out and they were forced to move back to to AZ, I think that was when Lori went searching for another man. But she was determined she didn't want another divorce. I think we will find that while religion runs heavily in the background of this case, the motives here have always been about money.