Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

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    Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
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    SUBPOENA: Lori Vallow’s attorney Mark Means has now filed a subpoena for Madison Co. Sheriff’s Dept. The request is for records from the agency regarding Lori Vallow, including all communications. Specifically recordings of LV speaking to LE & counsel since 2/20/20.

    Means wants a list of everyone employed with MCSD involved with custody and supervision of Vallow. He even asks for work schedules of deputies and agents. The list goes onto request communication between department and anyone associated with Madison County Prosecutor’s Office, Madison County Court, Rexburg Police and Fremont County Prosecutor’s Office.

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    His spelling errors make me crazy! "innocents" instead of "innocence"?! Really??!?
     
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    I noticed that spelling error too. (Grinding teeth.) Probably overruled spelling and grammar check to include it that way.

    When looking at the images of the documents in miniature on the Websleuths page before enlarging them to view them, the clerk's seal on the final page looks like a happy face stamp. Seems about right for this level of legal representation.
     
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    This guy is unreal
     
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    For Lori’s sake, I hope it keeps getting postponed until she confesses as to where or what happened to the children...would serve her right for posing as such a religious person...
     
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    Random thoughts/questions/comments/ramblings

    This is a very interesting grasping at straws approach.

    I wonder if he has sent similar requests to the other jurisdictions that are involved in the 4 death investigations. Presumably, he'll be told no, they are active investigations and not relevant to the case at hand.

    The one phone call that was accidentally recorded then deleted is a bit worrying. Wonder if he's concerned about what was said in that call, and he's trying to ascertain if anyone else heard it. Looking for a technicality to get his client off/out? Why now, why didn't he ask a couple weeks back when it happened?

    Could anyone see where footnote 2 and 3, at the bottom of page two relate?

    Very interesting, he's looking to obtain all MCSD employees personal communication as well. Is this common? I would think he would need some serious justification for this. This is a no fishing zone!

    Why, May 8th at 1pm, that's the afternoon of the second day of the scheduled hearing! Perhaps LVD/CD will give him access to their portal so he can be in Rexburg and Meridian at the same time. Alternatively, this could just be the earliest date he can request information.

    Any day now we should be seeing the request for a delay from the preliminary hearing due to the volumes on information he and 1 man band have to wade through.

    Sorry - feeling a bit snarky today.

    Idaho Criminal Rule 5.1. Preliminary Hearing; Probable Cause Finding; Discharge or Commitment of Defendant; Procedure



    (a) Preliminary Hearing. Unless indicted by a grand jury, a defendant charged in a complaint with any felony is entitled to a preliminary hearing. If the defendant waives the preliminary hearing, the magistrate must immediately file a written order in the district court requiring the defendant to answer. If a waiver of preliminary hearing form is used, the waiver form must be the Supreme Court waiver of preliminary hearing form found in Appendix A of these rules. If the defendant does not waive the preliminary hearing, the magistrate must schedule a preliminary hearing within a reasonable time, but in any event not later than 14 days following the defendant's initial appearance if the defendant is in custody and no later than 21 days after the initial appearance if the defendant is not in custody. Time limits in this subsection may be extended with the consent of the defendant and on showing of good cause, taking into account the public interest and prompt disposition of criminal cases. In the absence of consent by the defendant, time limits may be extended only on a showing that extraordinary circumstances exist. Extraordinary circumstances include disqualification of the magistrate by the defendant pursuant to Rule 25.
     
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    I'm just wondering aloud here, but if Tylee Ryan were to be subpoenaed in the case involving the disappearance of JJ, would LVD (as the mother of a minor) be considered responsible for her appearance?

    And if TR were to fail to appear, could LVD's case be continued repeatedly until TR does appear (or until TR's 18th birthday when that responsibility would shift to TR)?

    ETA: Could such a scenario result in witness tampering or obstruction of justice charges against LVD? And how would CD fit into this, him now being Tylee's and JJ's stepparent by marriage?
     
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    It wouldnt surprise me at all if the prelim gets postponed several times, I just hope im still alive to see the outcome of this whole thing!
     
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    Wouldn't what she describes as "seeing with physical eye" be what most would refer to as hallucination? Wouldn't what she describes as "seeing with mind's eye" be what most would refer to as imagination?
     
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    In my view, Mr. Means is too bad to be true. What I mean by that is that if Lori truly had friends in the, er, "movement," I would expect them to have advised her on counsel and supported her financially in all this. So I see two options: there is no Puppet Master and the sequence of events leading to the deaths and disappearances surrounding Lori were hers and hers alone; or there is a Puppet Master and he or she or they have decided to let Lori twist in the wind, to use the wonderful Watergate phrase. It would, of course, be in the interest of any Puppet Master to promote a legend that this was just the tragic story of a mentally unstable woman, you know how women are, menopausal, move along folks, nothing more to see here.

    When you draw the contact/action diagrams for Lori the striking thing is how thick the members of the "movement" were on the ground in the Mesa/Chandler/Gilbert area. Charles, Lori, and Charles's million dollar insurance policy were surrounded by them. Which is why I tend to disagree that Charles was besotted to the point of derangement by her. He strikes me as a kind and humane individual who, after all, assumed the responsibility of raising other people's children. I think he loved Lori dearly and kept coming back to her in an attempt to get her away from the influence of the "movement," and that cost him his life. I may be wrong, but I believe there is more than one snake in this pit.
     
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    Maybe Means thinks he is paid a little bonus per spelling error and each filing of a request for records :D
     
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    The first 7 minutes of this latest Court TV video is about LV's demeanor, with Ashleigh Banfield

     
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    Exactly!
    CD is possibly no different than Scott Peterson telling Amber he lost his wife before he killed his wife. It’s like getting the new supply lined up before you kill off the old boring supply. He’s tubby & couldn’t harm-a-fly-duh lookin’ but follow the sex and the money.

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