Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

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  1. RickshawFan

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    That case is such a great example IMO. IIRC The parents of those poor girls helped the guru escape, too?
     


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    I don't think Tylee was dismembered, too messy.
     
  3. Nikynoo

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    what do you think about Tammy's death?
     
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    I think she was dismembered most likely at Chad's. I agree messy but I doubt they would throw her entire body on the fire at once. She was found in pieces in various degree of char and flesh per affidavit. That means pieces were not burned at the same time imo
     
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    I'm not aware of who you are talking about that died in Sept (and please don't post a name here) but I hope you have sent this info into the police or the FBI as a tip. I've thought for a while that there might be other victims. Please tell someone who will investigate ASAP. Thanks.
    MOO.

    Rexburg police contact details: Police Contact Information | Rexburg Idaho

    FBI form from when they were looking for Yellow Stone pictures of the kids: FBI — Seeking Information on Missing Children - Rexburg, Idaho

    Additional contact numbers in this article: FBI Releases Pictures from Last Day Tylee Ryan Was Seen with Family at Yellowstone
     
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    Later edit to stay well within TOS guidelines...

    I had sort of been thinking that more than one of the Zombie Cohort had killed before—maybe even repeatedly, maybe in another context—so when folks come up with stuff they hadn't thought of before that jogs their memories, it's always interesting.
    On a separate—though maybe not—topic, are we quite sure the Zombie Cohort and friends weren't into hallucinogenics as part of their belief system? I was thinking 'shrooms. They'd make you briefly delusional or could be taken in a fatal dose? But they'd also be easy to store long-term, the same way you'd store other prepper dry goods. The other possibility would be hemlock, i.e. wild parsnip. Same advantages, and it worked on Socrates. Both of these substances are foraged for $$$, and would be very easy to obtain nearby on National Forest land.
     
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    There are often motion detectors at street lights to help traffic flow, prevent cars from stacking up at red lights, etc.. And, on that street, which carries heavy traffic into YNP, locals would have wanted flow optimized.

    You might have run into this problem at a traffic light where you wait and wait for a left arrow. The only way to trip it is to roll your car back and forth 'til the motion sensor sees you.

    However, your idea that there might be cameras on those posts could be true, too. I'll bet that main drag has all kinds of cams from different sources. They might even have one used for parking infractions and virtual parking tickets.
     
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    My experience with mythomaniacs (which I think Chad clearly is) is that when they are spouting their stuff, they believe it. You could strap them to a lie detector and it would show no deception. When they're not spouting their stuff they may have doubts, but if the stuff gets results they resist recanting it and when another opportunity comes by they can't resist the spout+believe mode. So it's a little more complicated than they believe or they are manipulating. It's a mix of both. Which makes them so dangerous. When they're talking they are sincere and when they're conniving they're cold and rational. Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos - Wikipedia) was exactly this kind of person, IMHO, as were any number of fraudsters I've run across in my career.
     
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    It was my guess when the remains were found, and studying the orange tarp, that a pet had been buried in that tarp.

    The probable cause document was so much worse than I would have ever guessed. Thankfully Alex carried his phone with him everywhere he went, so police had a digital trail.
     
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    Regarding PE... The thing is, TD was a librarian and evidently cherished her time on Frontierville, so she could have been sitting a lot. Now that I think about it—though this would be unimaginably devious—a poison could have been chosen precisely to look like PE and generate a cause of death that says loosely: "PE consistent with too much sitting". And it could have been selected months/years prior. And then just become an MO, since it was already researched and thought through. Thus, it came to be used before TD died, on Tylee and JJ.
     
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    IMO all of their delusions came naturally without being enhanced by substances.
     
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    I like your thinking. IF Tammys death was not natural causes, AND AC was involved in tammys death, then he would know how to cause the same outcome.
     
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    I really hope not. I think it would be relatively easy (for someone motivated to do it) to get ahold of Ketamine or Rohypnol and much much easier still to get ahold of sedative drugs (intended for JJ or anyone else with anxiety?) then use enough to cause a loss of consciousness. After that, it would be easy for two grown men or a small woman to overcome someone in a way that causes death.
     
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    IDK, she wasn't that big, heavy maybe, but not long.

    GRAPHIC WARNING;
    I've done some reading on the effect that fire has on bodies. It doesn't take as long as you would think to reduce to bone. Once the soft tissue is gone, the body essentially falls apart. This site has lots of info on what happens to bodies when they die. This particular link is related to burning.What happens to human bodies when they are burned.
     
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    I'm not sure I'm reading this right. Are you referring to a cause of death that looks like a pulmonary embolism...but isn't?
     
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    Possibly something that causes a PE?
     
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    Thanks for posting this.
    I too think Chad may have a past history of more crimes. Jmo
    I think it great that they are looking into cemetery(s) Chad worked for. They have new equipment that can locate disturbances buried they are using per article. They are currently looking into the Kiplyn Davis case to see if they can locate her body at the cemetary Chad worked for and the possibility of his involvement. This case may or may not be a stretch but who thought we would be discussing zombies and the end of the world:eek:
    The Justice Files: In search of bodies of the deceased
     
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    Gonna be even worse if they find a body that isn't her. Jmo
     
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