Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

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  1. nhmemorymaker

    nhmemorymaker Well-Known Member

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    Great great advice.... I have never read the initial threads...
     
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  2. Queasy Gumshoe

    Queasy Gumshoe Well-Known Member

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    I love it!!!
     
  3. nhmemorymaker

    nhmemorymaker Well-Known Member

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    But I knew I had read this long ago.... but reading it again was just..just amazing.
     
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    If she told Summer in September she confiscated Tylee's phone-Tylee was dead on September 9th. I think claim that Tylee had no phone was to explain why Tylee stopped communicating with Summer. So I don't think she was even doing it for control, she was making the claim to explain absence of communication from Tylee with her aunt and grandma on Lori's side.
     
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  5. Queasy Gumshoe

    Queasy Gumshoe Well-Known Member

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    Same here! I am a fiction writer and this story is fascinating! The ego of these people are mind blowing! It’s a novel as already, I feel like I have been reading it since December and it just gets crazier and crazier.
     
  6. lacegrl130

    lacegrl130 Well-Known Member

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    Almost like she already knew based on her question to Alex about what happened to JJ and his response “you don’t want to know “ this was a very close confession that she either knew or was pretty sure she knew what happened.
    No. He was laying out the breadcrumbs. He was preparing for Tammy to die for a long time. Always telling people about it. No. He was committed to the plan. He made those kids zombies with his dark/light spectrum. I agree with all the benefits Lori provided for him emotionally and sexually. But he was 100 percent up to his fetlocks in all of this.
     
  7. passionflower

    passionflower Just 1 tip to find a killer

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    Thinking of all the contacts and conversations on all those phones! I bet allot of followers are shaking right now! JMOO
     
  8. kyrarose

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    Thanks for posting this. You got to it before I did. Having a phone is not a right.
     
  9. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    ITA.

    And, although it has nothing to do with this case at all... just a side note... wasn't Keith Morrison's father a minister?
     
  10. Queasy Gumshoe

    Queasy Gumshoe Well-Known Member

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    Same here! I am a fiction writer and this story is fascinating! The ego of these people are mind blowing! It’s a novel as already, I feel like I have been reading it since December and it just gets crazier and crazier.
     
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    Yes!

    This seems to follow reliably with what I've read regarding strongly patriarchal systems and religions.

    Because they believe men are able to be "closer to God" (yeah, I dunno why, but just roll with the logic/lack thereof) they are bestowed with the "spiritual responsibility" of the household (which means you'd better choose a smart one to marry, I guess? Especially with the stigma of divorce. Goooood luck with that).

    In researching a fiction writing project about addiction last year, I stumbled across a religion-based book on Scribd about what to do if your husband was addicted to pornography.

    It didn't involve a suitcase or a lawyer.

    What it did recommend was so jaw-dropping I could not quit reading.

    The book kept reiterating the woman's subservient position in the home and the necessity for her to (somehow) still "obey" Mr. BusyHandsHusband, despite the fact he was rather distracted from his "leadership role" in the family.

    My takeaway was that it would be "selfish" for the woman to pack up her kids and get away, no matter how egregious the addiction. Instead, her job was to "pray more" (I'm guessing she already was?) until Mr. BusyHandsHusband "came back to God."

    No mention of whether she was allowed to play a lot of Farmville while she waited it out (I don't condone physical violence, usually, but CD deserves a hard backhand on his chastising TD for playing a computer game whilst he was out being the cock of the walk. Also, just stupid for him to do that. If you're gonna have an affair, one of the BEST things you could have is a slightly checked-out spouse playing a game for hours on end where she's building the virtual life she thought she might get by marrying your sorry, cheating ass.)

    Also, the wife of the addicted was NOT to try to take leadership of the family, financially/spiritual leadership-wise, but instead bring in their religious leader (a man) to "straighten out" the husband and "help him find his way back." If that didn't work, they would work their way up the totem pole of male leaders until hubby found someone he'd listen to when they told him to stop.

    But ideally, no one went outside the system for secular resources (therapist, addiction treatment, etc) - keep it all under wraps as best as possible, because with an all-powerful God, praying could make anything happen (which reminds me of the lifeboat parable, except with the addicted God says "You drove by the addiction treatment every day! Did you not see the TV special on dopamine and addictions?! I put options in your path!").

    Thinking this advice had to be a fluke of the self-publisbed and poorly edited, I researched more of this, including an advice site run by like-minded people, and no, it's not a fluke!

    These gender roles are concrete - woman subservient, absolute power vested in the husband and other men.

    Oh, and if women go astray, they were "misbehaving" (y'know, like children) while men were merely "led astray by Satan" (momentarily tempted).

    I see a lot of that in this whole story.

    TD patiently waiting out this latest fancy of CD, trying to be the good, supportive wife.

    MG basically waiting around to be told what to do, keeping the situation within the ranks, excusing behavior that conflicts with beliefs as "Satan" influenced behavior.

    LVD will probably be used as an example of what happens when "women try to get above their place" in this centuries old order. I can just hear the BS, "You see? She tried to take leadership where she was not qualified, and look what happened! Now go make me a sammich and get these floors cleaned, woman!"

    For MG to be evil, she would have to be capable of intent, and I can't see that she has an iota of intent other than to wait around for her head pat from whomever is in charge. Doesn't excuse her, but seems consistent what I learned about some patriarchal systems.

    Also the smiling (so disturbing!) indicates a huge disconnect. Yes, this stuff is happening, but not "to her" because there's no "her" there to impact.

    MOO
     
  12. nhmemorymaker

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    But in regards to Lori's parenting...it is control by constantly changing the rules and the routines, and geographic locations.

    I think this diabolical parenting is what contributed to Tylee's aloneness, sleeping a lot etc. This was a very smart girl who was denied of any life and growth.

    Reminds me of why I still feel she never got the GED either. No way for that kind of work and planning with this constantly moving household. When Lori, Melanie, and Tylee were at the police station and at one point Lori mentioned Tylee had her GED (I think in reference to why she was not in school). Tylee just made a pretty significant statement... she said "YEAH".

    I always feel that that was verifying the lie.

    I hope the defense does a really big over-the-top presentation of just how Lori screwed, hated, demoralized, and killed this young woman.
     
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    MG on Dateline, regarding Charles' shooting death: "I'm thinking he's gonna pass away like they would have a prayer, maybe his spirit would leave and his body would just die, you know if it was really true that he was a zombie. And yeah. I didn't see that coming."

    What's so hard for me to understand for people who believe some of these LDS teachings is, if you've never seen that happen before (prayer, spirit leaves body, death), why would you count on it to happen?

    We typically base our expectations on past experience. Who has ever seen a healthy, robust person simply die after a prayer? Why would she honestly expect that to happen in Charles' case?
     
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    That's exactly it. He wanted to end his marriage with his finances, his reputation, and his other relationships intact, and with seed money to move on immediately to his next season of life. To him, there was only one conceivable way that could happen: Tammy had to die. He was thinking about this even before he became involved with Lori. JMO
     
  17. nhmemorymaker

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    Loud strength here, QuietStrength. And lets add one more person to MG's mentoring. David Warwick (who is now clearly in msm print) has just as defying "stuff out there" as Chad has. I have a "guess" of even some competition out there with Chad and the other end-of-life men.

    And where did MG go for 11 days to figure out what to do. She went to "that good friend who she talked to until am". I don't think he is a huge player (yet), but he fits this patriarchal role for our Melanie.
     
  18. Spartygirl

    Spartygirl Verified Insider - Michael Vanzandt case

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    While we suspected that there were more than 7 others, per EIN report, it is now pretty obvious, IMO that there were indeed a lot more involved in this crazy group.
    60 Burner phones and 30 email addresses ??
    They sure were trying to hide things and conversations. SHEESH
     
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  19. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    We discussed this upthread.
    Idea 1: Freudian slip. He intended to talk about tree branches, but his mind blipped to "limbs" because he was thinking about a body.
    Idea 2: Evil and deliberate conflation, turning a murdered child into nothing of value and then flaunting it. [Or something like that]
     
  20. Sachi

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    Agree
     
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