IDI Only thread--A question

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Roy23, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. Roy23

    Roy23 New Member

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    I guess not all of us agree with each other in all aspects of the case but with this scenario I have a question.

    It is my opinion that everyone associated with the case realizes IDI. I think they have already told us actually. Some of us get really frustrated with RDI arguments. And now, I, even get frustrated at myself everytime I try to reason with them. It always just makes me get angry.

    So lets say, the police get a DNA match and it becomes pretty obvious that they have the right guy. And it ain't associated at all with a Ramsey being an accompliss.

    Should we rub it in their faces? Should we get a pass from bannings so we can let them know just how they perceive logic needs to change for them in the future? If it did turn out RDI, I think they should be able to call me any name or say anything to me without banning. Can we make a deal with the mods that however the case turns out either RDI or IDI gets to have a free for all on the other?
     
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  3. freshwater

    freshwater New Member

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    I'm trying to read all I can about this case to get caught up to everyone else. I'm keeping an open mind right now. I just want to see the perpetrator(s) brought to justice. It's ridiculous that it has almost been 14 years, and no one has been charged.

    RDI's and IDI's should be able to make their points and have a healthy back-and-forth discussion of the evidence and whom it points to. Some of the snarkiness on here, I just don't understand. We all just want to see this thing solved. Save your true anger for all the people who don't give a flip about this girl and finding her murderer(s) anymore. Rub their faces in it.
     
  4. Roy23

    Roy23 New Member

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    Thanks for your response. I agree with you that we don't seem to have healthy discussions anymore.
     
  5. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    We try, but it's hard when you call people snakes.
     
  6. Roy23

    Roy23 New Member

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    DeeDee,

    Before you keep posting this crap on all these threads, I suggest you read below and figure out who actually referred to who as a snake at first. I will be waiting on your apology.

    Roy23


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    How do you figure Chameleon?

    You're right. You never pretended to be anything else. I fooled myself, just like always. I keep trying to handle snakes, and they always bite me.


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    I mean it is crystal clear that RDI doesn't even factor in the case anymore unless they hired someone.

    We'll see, sir. We'll see.


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    The whole case has changed and everybody has done an about face who is investigating.

    Whether or not that's a good thing remains to be seen.


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    Nobody in the know is talking or complaining anymore.

    I figure we do enough of that for everybody.


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    They are gonna get him Dave.

    I certainly hope so.


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    I am frustrated that you won't open your mind to see all the signs of a case on track.

    Well, what frustrates me (among MANY other things) is that you don't seem to understand that I don't see the signs of a case on track because, to me, they aren't there.
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    From hell's heart I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath
     
  7. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    That was pretty confusing, because it isn't clear whose quote was whose. But the first quote seems like it is yours.
    But in your post on that thread, it seems pretty clear you are referring to a snake as someone who would write a book expressing the opinion that the Rs were responsible for the death of their daughter (a lie in your opinion). It wasn't someone else's words, I don't think. It reads like they were YOUR words.
    If it was NOT your own post, my apologies. If it WAS your own words, then I am not the one that needs to apologize. There is no need to call anyone names.
     
  8. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    No need to apologize at all, DD. Something I said metaphorically was taken completely the wrong way. Even if I HAD meant it as he suggests, it pales next to words like "morons," "clowns," "nimrods," etc.
     
  9. Roy23

    Roy23 New Member

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    Now Dave--lets not backtrack. You referred to dialogue with me as you having to handle snakes. And that was after you called me directly a chamelion. I could refer to my comments as a metaphor as well since you don't have a book published on this case. I don't want to be banned here like has happened with others. And did I not also even say assuming you are right, I would consider you a genius.

    It is my opinion, based on what I consider to be common sense, that the RDI option is forever the wrong option. And it wasn't for a lack of trying. I mean we are all interested in forensics and crime shows right. We see where the police get it wrong all the time on these shows. We also see where family members usually are the culprits. But, in this case, they threw the kitchen sink at the Ramsey's for 12 years.

    I get you have to follow your heart and believe what it tells you. But, the idea of writing a book to the public when you don't know what evidence they have now seems arrogant. I mean it seems that law enforcement is looking for an intruder now and I imagine there are reasons for it beyond what anyone knows. Assuming they are good reasons do you not feel any remorse for the Ramsey's for being treated as they were after losing a child. And if you somehow did pour more gas on the fire would you not feel bad for doing it?

    That was kind my frustration in suggesting the free for all yesterday. If IDI, I would like the opportunity for John Ramsey to give RDI's the business for a day or so on here. If RDI, I will come here and take my medicine and call all of you geniuses.
     
  10. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    John Ramsey has been giving everyone "the business" for fourteen years, regardless of who killed his daughter. The one time he should have exhibited real emotion on her killer (the arrest of JMK), he tried to empathize with him. There is a snake involved with this case, but it's not anyone on this board!
     
  11. Roy23

    Roy23 New Member

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    John Ramsey just said that we should hold off on judging Mr. Karr until there was more pointing to him as the killer. Mr. Ramsey was right on that as he knows how it is to be wrongly accused. But I don't feel bad for Mr. Karr as he claimed he knew what happened to JBR.
     
  12. Evan's Mom

    Evan's Mom Active Member

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    I come here to read about the case only, so I don't feel the need to thumb my nose at other members. When/If a person unrelated to the Ramsey's is ever arrested, I don't think anyone will have to say "I told you so" to anyone else.
     
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    A "fence sitters only" thread, well make that a forum, would be nice.
     
  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    Good idea.

    You do realize I was speaking metaphorically, right? I was referring to my own shortsightedness. In hindsight, it might have been better to have used the old "scorpion-frog" analogy. Quite simply, I was referring to the tendency for some IDIs to single me out as "different" and "worthy of praise" only to turn on me viciously for no apparent reason. (That is, not apparent to me.)

    And I quickly retracted it. Again, I realized that the problem lay with me, not you. I was wrong, and I admit it.

    I don't want that either. I tried to warn those others, just like I'm trying to warn you.

    Yes, you did. But one could go either way on that, Roy. Just the way it's worded leaves a sort of underlying "you're either a genius or you're a damned fool" theme.

    We get that.

    You might get some argument there, but I get you.

    It's often been pointed out that those shows are very misleading.

    You don't need crime shows to illustrate that. The Justice Department stats will do it just fine in real life.

    Did they really? I've often heard that argument, but it just doesn't do it for me. I'm puzzled as to how anyone can claim that with what the DA's office did and failed to do. The FBI, the Georgia police, and guys like Steven Pitt and Tom Haney all told the BPD and BDA to be much tougher on the Rs than they already were. I myself have often pointed out just how different the outcome might likely have been had the prosecutors in charge been people similar to Rudy Giuliani.

    Don't get me wrong: you're free to make that argument. I just don't see it.

    I would expect nothing less from anyone.

    It's funny you say that, Roy, because it was the arrogance of a lot of the people involved that prompted me to write it in the first place. So is it arrogant? Yeah, maybe. I realize I'm sticking my neck out.

    Assuming they ARE good reasons (and I have seen nothing to demostrate that), yeah, I'd be despondent over it. The question is: if they're not good reasons, how can I be expected to keep my mouth shut?

    I gathered. I was pretty angry too, when I suggested that you get one.

    A full month wouldn't be enough.

    Until then, I'm willing to put away the brass knuckles and switchblades if you are.
     
  15. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    I'm just glad that someone ELSE pointed that out before me.
     
  16. Roy23

    Roy23 New Member

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    Sure Dave. I will put away the brass knuckles. We are just not able to debate this cause we get frustrated. I am gonna let you have it one day though when they solve this case. I am 100% certain of it. But, like I said, I expect you to really give me the business if I am wrong. And believe me, I will take it like a man because I would have deserved it. And I mean that because this DNA is open and shut this case in my mind. And you know what I think about you guys who keep criticizing it.

    Until that day ...........
     
  17. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    I know.

    I have no doubt.

    Won't be all that much to take, Roy. I can't think of a single reason to celebrate being right.

    Yes, you've made that clear.

    Oh, yeah. I know.

    Till all are one.
     
  18. tragco

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    Was there a question? Oh yes, after reading the thread I forgot. Had to go back to the beginning. Should the group sharing the wrong viewpoint, if the case is solved, be able to bash the other group.

    Ummm.... no. I think both groups have their viewpoints and good reason to believe as they do. Why think about vengeful bashing if the truth came out?

    It would be a relief to me, frankly, to know the truth-finally. I think it was likely an intruder, but who cares at that point if the person who perpetrated the crime is finally found and JonBenet gets justice.

    I think the appropriate thing to do would be to quietly say a prayer for this precious soul, and have everyone be at peace and doing online (hugs).

    Not a regular poster in this thread, but an avid reader. Thanks to all for your hard work. It has given me great insight into the case.
     

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