Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #2

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  1. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    Trying to follow the thought process of the legal system... So, since the crime was domestic, it would be safe to say the parents are not a threat to society, just the living child. As long as child is in protective custody, parents would not be a threat. Am I thinking correctly?

    My only issue with this is JC is pregnant. Would, following this line of thinking, it not be assumed both AF and JC would be a threat to the unborn child? Should she not be denied bond until she has given birth and this child is in protective custody?

    Just thinking out loud. MOO JMO
     
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    In IL this is a bond condition. So, IF they are able to post bail (pretty doubtful) then the court would impose bond conditions, and usually it's that they can't leave the state of IL without court approval. They may not have said it in the hearing (unfortunately I didn't watch if there was a stream) but they are informed of it prior to being released. If they did, that's an additional criminal charge in IL.
     
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    A cousin of the Crystal Lake man charged with killing his 5-year-old son and hiding the body said Wednesday that Andrew Freund Sr. is not the person she grew up with, and that he had isolated himself from his relatives, some of whom lived nearby and would have wanted to help their family.

    "The last there was a family reunion was in like 2006, but I ran into Drew at the Jewel-Osco and he was with Joann and she was pregnant with AJ and that’s probably the last time I ran into him," Kopsell said.

    Freund Sr. "just kept to himself," Kopsell said, adding, "This isn’t the person I grew up with."

    Kopsell said the Freund Sr. she knew was a "well-behaved, polite, young man that came from a very good family and probably never had a hand laid on him."

    "I saw his picture and I thought, 'Oh my God, he looks like a Freund' and you know, like Drew did when he was younger," Kopsell said. "It was just, we’re just blown away."

    Kopsell said she had her suspicions - but couldn't wrap her mind around the allegation that Freund Sr. had killed his son.

    Family of Crystal Lake Boy 'Couldn't Believe' Murder Charges
     
  9. HayLouise

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    "I thought maybe something had happened to AJ, like accidentally and they were worried about maybe being charged with neglect and losing [their other son]," she said. "But when I heard the news conference today, I just... I just couldn’t believe it. Could not believe it."

    She added that in talking to other members of their family, they all felt the same way - and that she had no plans of, or any interest in, reaching out to Freund Sr.

    Family of Crystal Lake Boy 'Couldn't Believe' Murder Charges
     
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    Inside Edition just covered the mom, said she’d have 24-48 hours with her newborn. What? 24 seconds is too long, imo.
     
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    I pray that 24-48 hours is continuously supervised!
     
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    Yes on your 1st question. Your 2nd question gets into a huge ethical/rights debate but I have seen many pregnant women released on bond where there was reason to worry about drug use harming the baby. There is usually a stipulation of bond saying no drug or alcohol use and random testing across the board. If they test dirty they go back to jail.
     
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    You do know that no Child Welfare Caseworker has the ability to enter someone's home if the parent refuses access. If the law enforcement officers that found the deplorable home didn't immediately remove the children from an unsanitary condition because they had no legal grounds to do so how was a Caseworker armed with only a badge supposed to do it?

    The only recourse for child welfare caseworkers is to file for a court hearing which might or might not get approved by the ADA based on the limited first hand knowledge and if approved then a Judge would have to order the parents to grant the caseworker access. If the parents still refuse access the caseworker would have to file again and go back before the Judge to have the parents held in contempt of court which I have never seen in my 12 years working for my state's child welfare system.

    In my state - Literally if a parent says you can't interview the child then you are not allowed to talk to the child without a court order. If a parent says you can't enter the home then you are not allowed to enter the home. Most caseworkers work copious amounts of overtime trying to do the best they can for the kids they get assigned - unfortunately the legal system ties their hands in my cases. To say that this child's death is on that caseworker's hands is just a devastating blow to a caseworker who is probably already trying to deal with the grief and guilt they feel because somehow the broken system they work for couldn't save this kid. They bear that responsibility and blame themselves for the wording in their affidavit not being strong enough or their voice cracking on the stand under pressure from the defense attorney or not pushing harder to get in that house the first time they saw the family, etc. No one becomes a caseworker because they want to sit by and watch children die while barely making enough to keep their own family afloat.

    This child died because his parents were too drugged up to not physically abuse him and dump him in a shallow grave. The child welfare caseworker did not murder this child.
     
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    All attorneys have the same education and learn the same thing. It is later they decide the area they want to practice. It wouldn't be hard to brush up on an area if needed.
     
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    Very true! Although when I was a prosecutor and a family law attorney showed up, I knew I was in for a painful conversation (the majority never bothered to even try to learn).
     
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    Yes, CPS must have proof. The grandparents had photos when they petitioned and won custody of the older son.

    The 64,000 question is WHY did LE NOT turn on their video cameras. They were in the home, they met her at a convenience store to report a lost phone and medication. That's when they saw the home. They were front and center!!!!

    LE video could have provided proof of: (if they had just turn on their body cam)
    • The mothers physical and mental condition
    • The condition of the home..the dog poo/pee,the cluttered walkways-clearly a fire hazard
    • The physical condition of the kids
    It seems like they never quite executed the proof they needed. Just a lot a lot of he/LE and the neighbors said...and the mother knowing what lies to tell, cleaning house before CPS showed up, etc. AJs father was an attorney, the parents knew how to get around the CPS system.

    Everything failed for poor AJ.

    Just one video...
     
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  19. Trudie

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    Or from a distance......
    Idk if she’s safe to be around an adult.
    Ahhhh, IL has some very rough prisons. Hopefully she gets healthy & lives to be 100!
     
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    Facilities & Visitation

    Looks like she will eventually wind up here, the other women’s facility appears to be minimum security.
     
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