Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #3

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  1. Boodles

    Boodles Well-Known Member

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    She’ll never get out unless there’s a miracle. If she does, the children will be either old enough to make a decision whether to see her, or solidly living with a family and potentially uninterested in having a relationship with killer mom.

    If she’s in a hospital, I don’t care. I care about her baby being born safely and subsequently cared for. But I don’t care anything about the parents as long as they remain locked up. They need to stay locked up. There should have been no bond set IMO, even though it’s highly unlikely either could make it.
     
  2. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    yes. while high she was prob mellow but when she DT'd she prob was short and angry and that is when the abuse likely occurred.
     
  3. BaxterDE42

    BaxterDE42 Active Member

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    From the first link: There’s never been a safer time to be a kid in America by
    By Christopher Ingraham
    April 14, 2015 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...america/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cbd6defc017b

    Mr. Christopher Ingraham can expect some documented reports to the contrary early next week. (Contact info easy to find)

    I don't find the information in the following links to be true. I want all of you to know what we are up against in trying to get the attention of potential game changers in child "protection".
    The first is an op-ed but since people generally like to be spoon-fed info and rarely question the print, it shows how easy it is to deceive.
    The most frightening force is actually the US Department of Justice. I guess they only compile he stats given by the slackers at the local "protective" services.

    This link is frightening on many levels. They are very slow in updating their statistics. Again, those government jobs..... PAGE 6 of SPECIAL INTEREST:
    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
     
  4. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Well of course. But I mean right now, is the jail capable of caring for her? Idk what type of infirmary they have, or staff. I’ll look at jail site.
     
  5. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    wait so the baby in the belly isn't even her husbands?
     
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  6. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    I think a child has to die before they can be founded.
    MOO
     
  7. AgeofAquaruis

    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    Police reports too.
     
  8. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    I'm choosing to believe he wasn't alone. I want to believe that his parents did leave him. Put him in bed and left him home alone, with Lucy. That is what I'm going to believe, that he died with a doggie by his side.


    It sounds like Grandma plans to take both little brother and baby sister. (Actually sounds like P is already with family.)

    Even if they are financially okay adding two more children isn't cheap. P will need long term therapy I'm sure. I hope they do similar to what Jayme has, a fund for P's use if needed later. Then it's well tracked and there won't be accusations about the money later.

    Though big brother and grandma do approve of it. For what's it's worth.
     
  9. k8ling0087

    k8ling0087 Well-Known Member

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    I couldn’t watch this earlier at work but I don’t think she sounds bad at all in the video. She almost sounds normal, patient and kind. Sick how she was like this with P and not AJ. And even more sick if this was her after what she did to AJ
     
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  10. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Just saw this, FWIW. It was updated earlier today...

    Authorities Came to Slain Boy's Home 17 Times Before Parents Allegedly Beat Him to Death
    The body of A.J. Freund was found buried in a shallow grave on Wednesday
    BySteve Helling

    April 26, 2019 03:36 PM
    Time and again, authorities came to the home where 5-year-old Andrew ‘A.J.” Freund lived with his parents.
    Caseworkers had long been familiar with the family. When A.J. was born in 2013 with opiates in his system, he was removed from the home. According to the Chicago Tribune, he was returned to his parents in 2015.
    [...]
    As the tragedy has unfolded, many have questioned why the boy was allowed to stay in deplorable conditions.
    “I got the sense from what I read that the cops were essentially begging [DCFS] to take the child,” state Rep. Sara Feigenholtz, a Chicago Democrat who chairs the House Adoption and Child Welfare Committee, told the Associated Press. “There were so many calls made, so many signs of trouble and still nothing was done.”

    Authorities Came to Slain Boy's Home 17 Times Before Parents Allegedly Beat Him to Death
     
  11. Rhenish

    Rhenish Well-Known Member

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    Whatever drug she abuses I hope that when she detoxes from it and when she will no longer be able to self-medicate I hope she takes a long hard look in the mirror she sees herself as we see her.
    17 times and he was only in the home since 2015, a little over 3 years is my take. Also, I believe it was in January (may be wrong) when the cops showed up and there had been no power/electricity in the home for awhile and I think mom told the cops "they" had been staying in a motel some of the time. To me that alone, no electricity, is just cause to remove the children from the home. I checked weather in Crystal Lake Ill. and it appears it is below freezing a lot of the time in January. I think DCFS replied that a "utility issue" wasn't reason enough to go out there and check conditions or welfare of the children. That is not acceptable, IMO.
     
  12. sabepa

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    She and Sr. were never married. At some point they split up and she has a new boyfriend who is currently awaiting trial for an assault. Before he went to jail, they all lived in the house on Dole together.
     
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  13. Knox

    Knox Wear Pink & Eat Cake ~ Lauren Giddings

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    Can someone show me the pictures being discussed?
     
  14. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    I can’t even say where my mind goes thinking of them all hunkered together.
     
  15. Simply Southern

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    Yes, she is 7 weeks not the 7 months previously report. They will take her to all her Dr. visits, the ER if she has an emergent need, most will provide prenatal medication. Most jails have a nurse or EMT on staff and will not hesitate to call 911 and transport to ER, w/guard. It's a huge investigation/bad press to have a jail death.

    I've had oxygen, CPAP, breathing treatments, wheelchairs and medications in the local jails. It depends on if the incarcerated person or family can afford to pay. All insurances stop paying during incarceration. Some jails have slush funds to pay for meds. Hospitals and Dr's get stuck on the bills, they are never paid. Medicaid may have some special coverage for pregnancy, that I'm not aware of, but it cancels on the first of month of incarceration.
     
  16. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    It is a large jail, I don’t see an infirmary. It is possible she will need hospitalization to detox.
     
  17. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    She's not 7 weeks pregnant. She's 7 months. In the striped shirt picture she is clearly pregnant. In the bikini picture she is clearly pregnant. They know the gender. She's 7 months.
     
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  18. Blondie in Spokane

    Blondie in Spokane Well-Known Member

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    This ‘mother’ makes me physically ill.
     

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  19. Simply Southern

    Simply Southern Well-Known Member

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    Now the cops imply they begged. What about taking the complaint to a higher level. We all do that. I order a burger and they being me a chicken sandwich and refuse to being my burger. I'm a gonna ask for the manager and raise holy he!!. If I still don't get my burger, I'll call the owner, regional manager. Most if us would.

    They are cops, for heaven sake they know or should know how to create a stink. They have a boss, and he has a boss, bet the policy manual says ...take to a higher level when an issue can not be resolved. They didn't because its all day every day, there are so many AJs out there. Its just routine.

    He!!, they all failed.
     
  20. BaxterDE42

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    Magnified photo 500%. Still nothing there. Those eyes are just blank.
     
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