Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #4

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  1. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    From the looks of this case and a few others it doesn’t appear that Illinois law allows children to be removed if they are being abused either. I’m sorry, but if it keeps one child from being abused or killed I’m not opposed to orphanages. Anything would be better than the current systems/laws.
    jmo
     
  2. nyvictoria

    nyvictoria Well-Known Member

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    Right? Sickening!!
     
  3. Scanner

    Scanner Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how much work AF can do from home with no hydro.
     
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  4. Simply Southern

    Simply Southern Well-Known Member

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    He was careful what he said related to medical professionals. Don't think any Dr's gonna get in TV and state that but it is true.

    He stated they need more of these specially Dr.s.

    What he could of said, We need to train EVERY pediatrician in the state on recognizing the signs of child abuse.

    He!! Its not even a speciality you can get a medical degree in.
     
  5. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    @Tippy Lynn I wonder if standard protocol was for JC to lock the kids in their rooms for the night, so she could sleep after Sr left for work. With his commute, she was likely home alone with them 12+ hours a day.
     
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  6. Boodles

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    You’re correct. Except, IMO, if something has been repeatedly established as fact via links to credible sources, it could become redundant to keep linking the same sources. But I don't know the context of your question.
     
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  7. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Do you think they are getting bags of hate mail? I do.

    Evidently.
    Both Drew & JC deserve the worst of the worst for the rest of their miserable days. Prison isn’t even punishment for them. Only free housing with essentials provided.
    I honestly could not look at either, even if my job required me to do so.
     
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  8. MyBelle

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    BBM. This isn't remotely true. AJ was removed from his parents at birth because of opiates in his system and he was returned after she underwent drug treatment which is paid for by the state of IL.

    This case also has nothing to do with prison reform.

    It would be helpful if you would not state your opinion as fact.

    JMO

    Substance Abuse Services and Assistance - Healthy Kids

    The Illinois Department of Human Services, Division of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse (DHS/DASA) provides funding for alcohol and other drug abuse treatment services for pregnant women and women with children, youth, those receiving TANF funds and those at risk of or infected with HIV; as well as counseling and early intervention services to individuals with gambling disorders.

    DHS/DASA also provides services to individuals with active DCFS cases. Individuals are screened and referred by DCFS offices and local service providers. Treatment providers work with DCFS staff to bring patients into the treatment process, and when needed, provide transportation for patients and/or their children to child care so they may attend treatment.

    The overall goals of the DASA/DCFS Initiative include:

    • Improved health and safety of the child(ren) and mother
    • Improved parenting skills
    • Improved family functioning
    • Reduced substance abuse
    • Improved life management skills of the mother
    DHS also offers treatment services for alcoholism and addiction through an extensive treatment provider network throughout the state of Illinois.

     
  9. Trish51

    Trish51 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the baby can be adopted. Her parental rights may be terminated, voluntarily or involutarily, but the dad's, whoever he us, would still have rights. If he chose to, he could sue for custody and the adoptive parents could lose the baby. Plus, for all we know, and purely speculation, the father could be a decent person with all the provisions to take care of the baby. He just made a bad choice in sleeping with her, whether he paid or not.
     
  10. MyBelle

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    I suggest you re-listen to the interview. The doctor said the medical records could be released. The confusion was on the part of investigators, not doctors.
     
  11. MyBelle

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    We don't have a right to know anything at all about P or the new baby. They law protects their privacy.

    JMO
     
  12. Simply Southern

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    Thanks for the reminder, I am guilty.
     
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  13. Tippy Lynn

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    She beat AJ until he couldn’t move.....no need to lock him up. I’m not sure about PF, but he was probably to scared to move or do anything. :( Although, it does state she locked both the older brother and AJ up.
    Worthless and evil monster. :mad:
     
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  14. Trudie

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    No, I don’t think she can be adopted w/o the father consenting.
    I just so want JC to not even get a glimpse of the baby.
    Her contact with all breathing creatures needs to be “cuffing up”, imo & that day is coming, I believe.
     
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  15. MyBelle

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    All pediatricians in IL are mandated reporters of child abuse. Trained physicians at Lurie Children's Hospital in Chicago provide forensic examinations for all pediatricians in Cook County. My granddaughter was referred for such an examination by her Chicago pediatrician. Cook County has a population of over 5 million people.

    Forensic training isn't a specialty, it is a certification.

    Child Abuse Pediatrics Certification
     
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  16. LietKynes

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    Snipped for brevity.

    Yes, well, it looks like JC met none of those requirements.
    To whom did she show " Improved "... anything ?
    Did she 'display' her "improved parenting skills " to AF Sr. , who has also been accused of multiple counts of murder ?

    The link in this thread alludes to concerned neighbors and relatives sounding the alarm for years !
    This mistreatment by both parents was constant for as long as AJ was with them.

    She never met any of the above criteria , and she never reduced her drug use. Her mug shots display this.
    She never gave a single damn.

    Both of those children may have had to 'forage' for their food, as when she was high-- she would've been unable to prepare meals for them or care for them in any way.
    Either passed out, shooting up, or beating AJ. (or both boys)
    A literal hell on earth, of the 'parents' making.
    Amazing that both of them didn't starve before AJ's eventual murder.

    And yet DCFS thought all was going well.
    Imo.
     
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  17. Tippy Lynn

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    Good point! I’m going to respect the privacy of all the other children. They’ve been through more than enough already.
    jmo
     
  18. osu

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    Yes, his dad said in the affidavit that AJ didn’t stack the dishes properly after washing them. When asked about it, AFsr said that AJ lied because he told them, “I didn't stack them”. :(
     
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  19. MyBelle

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    JC is unmarried. The father has to go to court, establish paternity and ask a judge for parenting time. I doubt that happens because DCFS will intervene.
     
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  20. Thora_Jay

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    There was water at the time. Obvious since AJ was put in a shower for a long period of time prior to his horrific death
    Plus AJ being forced to do dishes.
     
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