IL IL - Barbara, 15, & Patricia Grimes, 13, Chicago, 27 Dec 1956

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@Gunther Toody do you know why they only remodeled the Grimes house, rather than demolish it like they did for example to other houses associated with murders?
 

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Hello Paul...the Grimes family was poor by the standards of the time. Mr. Grimes had long since divorced Loretta and remarried. The house was in need of updating and repair so out of sympathy, local contractors donated time and materials to remodel the home inside and out. A collection was taken up through various organizations to pay off their $8000 mortgage as well.
 

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Unofficial investigation
In 2013, a retired West Chicago police officer named Raymond Johnson began a personal investigation into the case. Johnson—considered by many to be an expert on this case—had become interested in the Grimes sisters' case in 2010,[46] when he had been researching a book he had been writing about the city's history.[94] Having extensively researched the case, Johnson has stated his conviction that the case is still a solvable one, but only with public assistance,[95] and that he believes that the perpetrator of this crime had been a 23-year-old self-confessed child killer named Charles LeRoy Melquist, who had been considered a suspect in the sisters' abduction and murder in 1957.[96]

Melquist had been convicted of the September 1958 murder of a 15-year-old girl named Bonnie Leigh Scott, whom he had known prior to her murder,[97] and whose decapitated body had been found two months after her disappearance less than 10 miles from where the Grimes sisters' bodies had been discovered.[98] Following the discovery of Scott's body, investigators had noted similarities in this murder and body disposal, and that of the Grimes sisters. Nonetheless, Melquist was never questioned as to his potential culpability in the Grimes sisters' murders, as his attorney had forbade him to be subject to questioning.[99]

The day after the body of Bonnie Leigh Scott was discovered, Lorretta Grimes received a phone call from an individual who, on this occasion, claimed responsibility for Scott's murder. On this occasion, the caller had stated: "I've committed another perfect crime ... This is another one those cops won't solve and they're not going [to affix blame onto] Bedwell or Barry Cook."[90][n 16] Lorretta Grimes would remain adamant until her death this caller had been the same individual who had contacted her in May 1957 and had revealed the deformity upon one of her daughters' feet which had never been released to the press or the public, stating: "I will never forget that voice."[90]
 

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More on the banana fibers...
The girls brother Jim indicated that he bought the girls banana splits at around 3 PM in the afternoon of Dec. 26th. He was shoveling snow at the church and on the way home, he found $10 on the ground. He used that money to treat the girls to ice cream.

Eyewitness Earl Zastrow stated that he saw the girls at about 11:30 PM the night they disappeared....two blocks from their home clowning around with each other as they made their way toward their home.
Obviously, they never made it and Zastrow was on his own way home at the time.

We can reasonably assume that the girls disappeared at around midnight the night of the twenty sixth...

The temp at Midway Airport at that time was about 23 deg.
Midway is about 7 miles from where they were found and about the same from their Damen Avenue home so the temp should be fairly the same at either location.

The next day...the temp high was 27 deg.
The point is that these temps are not conducive to the body being able to freeze. The coroner stated that the bodies were frozen solid when found and the pathologists had to wait for at least a day for them to thaw enough for autopsy. That being the case....means that there is no way banana fibers would still be in the digestive system 3 weeks later when the bodies were found rendering it highly unlikely that the girls were murdered the same night they disappeared.


To do an assessment of the temps at Midway Airport for each day the girls were gone, go here.
Local Weather Forecast, News and Conditions | Weather Underground

This will also show the precipitation on a day by day basis.
Did anyone read where they found Melquists address book of young girls and one of them were coincidentally neighbors of the Grimes Sisters? Could he have randomly been in the neighborhood for this other girl?
 

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Barbara and Patricia Grimes

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... it’s often been wondered in the years since the murders if whoever killed Bobby Peterson (14), and brothers John (13) and Anton (11) Schuessler (October 1955) was also involved in another gruesome Chicago child murder just months later: that of the Grimes sisters.

The cases have eerie similarities; on December 28, 1956, the two girls (15-year-old Barbara and 13-year-old Patricia) had gone to a movie before they vanished. (Their choice? Love Me Tender. The girls were huge Elvis Presley fans and it was their 11th time seeing the movie.) Their bodies were not found until January 1957, and just like the boys, they’d been dumped naked on a roadside. But unlike the earlier trio of victims, who’d clearly been strangled, there was no obvious cause of death, a fact that would later become a point of contention, as the Chicago Reader recalls:

A coroner’s jury finally ruled that the Grimes sisters froze to death the night they disappeared. But the coroner’s chief investigator, Harry Glos, publicly disagreed. He contended that a layer of ice around the bodies proved they were warm when they were left on German Church Road, and that only after January 7 was there enough snow to create that ice and hide the bodies. Coroner Walter McCarron’s response was to announce on television that Glos had been fired.

Time of death wasn’t the only issue Glos raised. “The puncture wounds in Patricia’s chest were never adequately explained or explored,” he said, convinced that the marks on the bodies were signs of violence before death. And he asserted that Barbara Grimes had been molested—something the pathologists had denied.

The Grimes sisters murder remains one of Chicago’s most baffling unsolved mysteries.

LINK:
The Hideous Chicago Triple Child Murder That Was Finally Solved ... After 40 Years
 
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Did the pathologists say that Patricia had been sexually assaulted? If not, I can't help thinking of a suspect from Chicago's north suburbs (William Thoresen III) who was a suspect in the Judith Mae Anderson murder (8 months after the Grimes murders) and the Valerie Percy case (1966) and who now has been considered to have emerged as Zodiac in the late sixties in the Bay Area.
 

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Is there anything happening in this case anymore? Were the leads that Gunther Toody brought in ever followed upon? Another dead end? This is nearing 64 years since the girls were found.
 

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Cold Case File: BARBARA and PATRICIA GRIMES​

Name:Barbara and Patricia Grimes
Date of Crime:January 23rd, 1957
Gender:Female
Race:White
Age:18 & 24
Location:German Church Rd & County Line Rd. Willow Springs
Information:The bodies of Patricia Grimes and Barbara Grimes were found in a wooded area near old rural German Church Road. the girls had been reported missing to Chicago Police on 12/28/56. Their decomposing bodies were found nearly a month later.

 

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Did the pathologists say that Patricia had been sexually assaulted? If not, I can't help thinking of a suspect from Chicago's north suburbs (William Thoresen III) who was a suspect in the Judith Mae Anderson murder (8 months after the Grimes murders) and the Valerie Percy case (1966) and who now has been considered to have emerged as Zodiac in the late sixties in the Bay Area.
The pathologists stated that there was no sexual assault on either girl. However, the autopsy team wanted to do the postmortem away from the eyes of police and in private, after which they would give a report to the police agencies of their findings.

Inexplicably, the entire vaginal area of both girls was removed. If there was no sexual assault, what would be the reason? My guess is that both girls were raped, possibly numerous times resulting in physical damage to the pubic area, and the pathologists did not want information to get out about such a condition.

The bodies, of course, would be turned over to an undertaker, risking exposure of such injuries if steps were not taken.

Harry Glos, arrived at his conclusions of sexual assault and physical beating after the slide samples taken at the postmortem were examined by the Crime Lab of the Chicago Police Department. While visiting the lab on Feb. 7th, 1957, Glos was shown slide samples allegedly taken from Barbara's vaginal area, indicating the presence of sperm cells.

The girls both showed extensive facial bruising.
 

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A 4 part series on the Grimes sister's murder is being aired on WGN Chicago.
 

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The special premieres on Nov. 18 at 7 p.m. CT on WGN-TV, the WGN9+ app on Roku, Amazon Fire TV, and Apple TV and online at wgntv.com. An encore presentation will be aired on Nov. 20 at 4:30 p.m. CT on all WGN-TV platforms.

 
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