IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

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  1. casesensitive

    casesensitive Well-Known Member

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    What I find amazing is KA said that the father (JW) was standing right beside the furnace at the time that it apparently blew up. KA who had exited the bathroom (after getting dressed) was knocked unconscious by the blast, yet JW who was beside the furnace was uninjured and was able to help her out of the trailer. Does that make sense?

    I'd like to see a floor plan of this trailer. It is long and looks like additions were made to it. The major damage seems to be from the mid section, which I am assuming is where the furnace was located. Where were the bedrooms located, where was the entry door, where were the windows located? Why weren't bedroom windows broken to gain entry to try to rescue the loved ones who would surely succumb to smoke inhalation? Kyle had a window in his bedroom (per his videos). All of the victims died from smoke inhalation. Could some of them have been saved? Maybe not, but trying to break into bedroom windows is what most mothers would do. Standing outside, doing nothing and feeling good about yourself because you told your loved ones-- I love you guys --as they died is beyond my ability to comprehend or rationalize in any way.

    I think we are witness to a mother who is a classic sociopath. JMO
     


  2. SaguaroSpirit

    SaguaroSpirit Happy Times in Cactus Land

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    Make a little room in that corner...
     
  3. LietKynes

    LietKynes "I saw what you did"

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    I think you're right. And that's sad.
    It's as if some children have living parents and a home to reside in... yet they're like orphans !
    Having to look after themselves, feed themselves, having to protect themselves from being abused.....
    Imo.
     
  4. MommyStephV

    MommyStephV Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, totally missed that there was a whole different thread. I’ve had 2 sick kiddos so I haven’t been able to check back in. I just checked over there and realized there were 33 pages! Wow.

    I can’t imagine I’ll have much to contribute that hasn’t already been mentioned. We are leaving for vacation tomorrow, I think I may have just found some reading material to occupy some of the time in the car!
     
  5. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    bbm
    Hmmm, that never crossed my mind, but it is something to think about. Hmmmm, again.
     
  6. Coppertop15

    Coppertop15 Well-Known Member

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    Don't bite your tongue, just shove a cookie in your mouth. I will pour. Cream? Lemon?
     
  7. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    They did autopsies on all the bodies. Since it appears they have all died from smoke inhalation (at least that is what was reported), bodies must have not been burned to the crisp. So the medical examiner should have been able to establish if there were any other cause of death. And as far as I can tell the cause of death (smoke inhalation) for all of them is consistent with dying in the fire.
     
  8. LietKynes

    LietKynes "I saw what you did"

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    Even with smoke inhalation being the ultimate cause of death, there cold have been signs of prior abuse on those toddlers.
    Imo.
    If there was, the mom could just point fingers at the deceased boyfriend.
    Hence, no arrest for KA.
    We just don't know how thorough the autopsies were.
    If the medical examiner/coroner wasn't told about the abuse-- he wouldn't examine the children for it.
    Just look at their lungs to see if there was smoke damage.
    After watching some of the videos Kyle put online-- there was abuse occurring.
     
  9. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    I feel sure that the autopsies would be complete regardless of what the suspected COD was. Every autopsy report I have ever seen shows thorough examination of everything when possible. It would involve all organs, systems, and bodily fluids, etc.
    Organs are removed and tissues are preserved. They are examined for appearance, weight and size measurements -- the brain, liver, digestive system, teeth, lungs, vitreous (eye) fluid, reproductive system, etc. Something like "the liver is of normal size, color and weighs xxx," or "there is evidence of a previous normal appendectomy," etc. Certainly tox screens are standard procedure, and if something looks "wrong," it would definitely be included in the report. If smoke inhalation is not the COD, that would certainly be reported and further examined for actual COD. With this case, a tox screen could rule in or out someone being drugged such that the person would not awaken and therefore die of inhalation -- then foul play could become a factor. We certainly should expect complete autopsies on each one where possible.
     
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  10. LietKynes

    LietKynes "I saw what you did"

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    Thanks, this sounds interesting ! ^^^^
    Quoting your post to mark my spot; and am going to look again at news articles.
     
  11. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    Yes, exactly. I would assume complete autopsies were done, especially considering this fire likely looked very suspicious (arson) from the start.
     
  12. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    I know I selected a dozen quotes but they probably expire or something. It's taken a week to read the whole thread so that's probably where they went.

    This is the biggest glaring issue I see. This reminds me so much of the women we see who put their man first. Except it is continuing now that they are all dead. It's so disturbing.

    There is absolutely no chance that I would stand outside a window and talk to my BEAGLE inside a house fire. Much less my CHILDREN. I keep coming back to this thread thinking I must have misunderstood. It's incomprehensible to me.

    What might be worse is that she admits it.


    The niece might be more disturbing than the man to me. Um what about her own two babies? I can't even imagine caring more about my sister's child than my own. I don't care if she's a genius and mine is disabled (which, happens to be our situation.)


    Kyle needs to be kept away from that family forever. Termination of rights, lifelong restraining order... all of it. If there is any hope for this child to not become a serial killer then all those ties need to be cut, now. I hope that can happen.
     
  13. LietKynes

    LietKynes "I saw what you did"

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    I would probably go into our house if it was on fire for our rescue cat -- much less my family !

    Already commented on this but I still would like to know what evidence there was to charge Kyle.
    He was growing up in a household where there was abuse and dysfunction. The 'adults' shown in the videos gave me chills.
    Kyle was known to have played with the pilot light in the furnace before -- but charging with murder makes it sound like he meticulously planned everyone's deaths.
    What if he was 'coached' in what to say to investigators ?
    Imo.
     
  14. Luckyzmom

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  15. Luckyzmom

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    What a mess this is. Can this child form the intent for Murder 1 ? If he was part of a plan formed by adult what would charges look like ? Will the gag order help him get a fair trial now ? JMO. So many troubling aspects of this
     
  16. oviedo

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    I wish the arrest warrant were public - surely LE has analyzed the crime scene very thoroughly? why would they come to the conclusion that this child did it ? i surely hope it isn't because he said he did and they have really looked at everything - it's been many months - something seems very off IMO. but if they are done - we won't get much more than what's out in MSM. JMO
     
  17. gitana1

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    I think they have reasons for the charges. And I think the kid has reasons for why he did what he did.
     
  18. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    9-year-old boy accused of setting deadly fire appears in court on murder charges
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    Eureka, Illinois — A 9-year-old boy accused of setting fire to his family home appeared in Illinois court Monday. KA was charged with five counts of first-degree murder and various counts of arson for the killing of five of his relatives on one night in April. Prosecutors say the boy intentionally set the blaze.

    CBS News correspondent Errol Barnett was in the courtroom where the judge laid out the charges against the boy. Barnett said KA was barely visible above the back of his chair, and his feet barely touched the ground.
     
  20. claudianunes

    claudianunes Well-Known Member

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    Oh my God. He's just a little kid. I can't imagine the amount of trauma a 8-year-old has to have been put through to do something like this. I can't bring myself to believe that this kid, at 8 years old, did have intent to kill.
     

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