IL - July 4 Parade, Highland Park, At least 6 dead, 4 July 2022

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FBI agents located Crimo’s cellphone at a service station in the Madison suburb of Middleton on Monday, in the dirt at the edge of a parking lot.


On the day of the attack, Crimo dressed in “girls’ clothes” and wore makeup to cover his distinctive face tattoos because he feared he would be recognized, Dillon said. Surveillance video shows Crimo walking down an alley behind a building at the northwest corner of Central Avenue and Second Street and climbing a fire escape to reach the roof.

Video shows Crimo running down the alley with a black bag over his shoulder. A rifle, a Smith & Wesson M&P15 semi-automatic wrapped in a cloth, fell from the bag as Crimo ran. Police recovered the weapon within minutes and traced it to Crimo, who had purchased the weapon at “a local gun store” in 2020 when he was 19.

Crimo’s next court appearance is set for July 28.
 

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His face looks weird b/c he is sickly thin.
Emaciated.

Is it normal?
Or is it the effect of taking drugs?/ wasting the body?
When I saw the photo of A. Lanza, he was also this sickly thin.
 

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It was reported that after the suicide threat, RC was referred to mental health specialist.
I wonder if he proceeded.

I think Covid time deepened his mental issues.
He stopped working, meeting people and started isolating even more.

MOO
Did he quit his job at Panera or did the store close due to Covid? Every type of restaurant around here is desperate for employees. Wonder why he didn’t get another job? What was his money source? Drugs? Parents?
 

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Did he quit his job at Panera or did the store close due to Covid? Every type of restaurant around here is desperate for employees. Wonder why he didn’t get another job? What was his money source? Drugs? Parents?

The 21-year-old lives near Crimo’s father’s home — but said she first met Crimo, also 21, as a fast-food colleague at Panera in March 2020.

The pair became friends when they worked at the eatery for about a month together before the chain restaurant closed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

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Did he quit his job at Panera or did the store close due to Covid? Every type of restaurant around here is desperate for employees. Wonder why he didn’t get another job? What was his money source? Drugs? Parents?
I wondered whether he was making money off his videos. His home life seems fractured. His parents splitting up didn't help his isolation. Some people think if their kid is on the computer all the time they rationalize they aren't getting into trouble on the streets. Yet umpteen kids have secret lives online that can make them victims from predators or, in the case of this guy, become the predator.

He did a terrible thing and he deserves whatever punishment is applied but there is a theme running through these kids that kill and being the victim of bullying seems to be the lynch pin.

It's almost as if there's a playbook they follow that pushes them down the path yet as a society we seem to ignore the signs. Most of us on WS are not kids; our time in a school environment was decades ago, so our memories of school bullying is looked through the lens of discrete circumstances. Unlike today, where bullying tactics are enhanced to the nth degree where complete strangers, adults at that, can bully a teen online in another country, leading to their suicide. So what makes one kid kill themselves and another one pick up a gun?
 

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I wondered whether he was making money off his videos. His home life seems fractured. His parents splitting up didn't help his isolation. Some people think if their kid is on the computer all the time they rationalize they aren't getting into trouble on the streets. Yet umpteen kids have secret lives online that can make them victims from predators or, in the case of this guy, become the predator.

He did a terrible thing and he deserves whatever punishment is applied but there is a theme running through these kids that kill and being the victim of bullying seems to be the lynch pin.

It's almost as if there's a playbook they follow that pushes them down the path yet as a society we seem to ignore the signs. Most of us on WS are not kids; our time in a school environment was decades ago, so our memories of school bullying is looked through the lens of discrete circumstances. Unlike today, where bullying tactics are enhanced to the nth degree where complete strangers, adults at that, can bully a teen online in another country, leading to their suicide. So what makes one kid kill themselves and another one pick up a gun?
I'm not sure he was bullied - there are not reports about it.
In fact, he seemed to have friends through his interests: skating, music.

In my opinion, he suffers from mental disturbances, which were not diagnosed and not treated.
His home environment didn't help either.

Add drugs, violent games and isolation.
A recipe for disaster :(

MOO
 
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I really don’t understand this IL FAOI card law. WHAT IS THE POINT of the parent and/or guardian “sponsorship” requirement?

The requirement is apparently in place to prevent people under a certain age from purchasing weapons on their own accord.

Ideally, a responsible parent would put a brake on gun purchases by potentially dangerous people by declining to sponsor fire arms purchases by the individual. With out parental sponsorship, the individual cannot legally purchase weapons.

Thus, the requirement reduces the possibility of say, impulse weapons purchases by dangerous individuals under 21 and their use for mass shootings. Illinois probably hopes that some potential mass shooters will loose interest before they turn 21.

Though Crimo is over 21 now and legally able to purchase weapons as an individual, the weapon used in the shooting and another weapon brought to the shooting were apparently purchased via the sponsorship of his father.

So..... I am hoping for criminal charges against the father as he knew his son had been assessed as being potentially dangerous, yet still sponsored the weapons purchases.
 
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I don't think that Crimo is mentally ill in a legal sense. Given his suicidal ideations, he is/was probably depressed. Certainly a disturbed individual who carries a lot of hate, and does not put much value in his own life or that of others. So he may have a personality disorder. But I don't think there is any illness like schizophrenia that would diminish his grip on reality.

As for motivation, I think he was in a bad place himself and wanted others to feel his suffering too. Like many shooters,
he seeked notoriety. I don't think his main motivation was targeting a particular population. He main obsession was killing people, and as such he may have been inspired by mass killings by members of hate groups.

Unfortunately, I think notoriety will always be a motivation for such acts. I do not think media can take that motivation away. One cannot simply stop media to report on such acts. And just leaving out the name of the perpetrator does not much, if the heinous act is still reported on. Even if the name is not mentioned in mass media, it can easily be found on the internet.

The parents bear a lot of responsibility here, but I don't know if they are liable in any legal sense. But it should be looked into. In particular, the father sponsoring Crimo to buy a weapon with a history of credible suicidal and homicidal impulses seems like it could be a crime, if the father lied on certain questions on a form. I don't know if there are any specific
questions on such form that ask about mental stability, history of suicidal/homicidal ideations etc. The mother provided the getaway car, but she probably wasn't aware at the time he was the shooter, or at least would claim this.

The parents (via a lawyer) made this statement:

“We are all mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, and this is a terrible tragedy for many families, the victims, the paradegoers, the community, and our own. Our hearts, thoughts and prayers go out to everybody.”

I think this is an awful statement. First, they put themselves in the same category as all the families of the victims.
Second, if anyone mentions "thoughts and prayers" again in these school shootings, I am going to puke. Third, they do not acknowledge any regrets. If anyone could have stopped this, it is the parents. They may not have wanted this to happen, but should at least acknowledge that hey have failed miserably.
 

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Everytime we hear about a mass killer, they said something is off about them.
Yea. It’s a bit like the Incels.
Incels band together on line to vilify women for passing them over, tell themselves they are good guys finishing last, but most people not just women sense Incels potential for violence engendered by their mix of a lack of insight and toxic grievances and steer clear. And self identified Incels do mass murders too, driven by their grievance.
There is another similar or blended group like Crimo of death oriented young men on Discord and other platforms who gleefully indulge in fantasies of merciless cruelty together.
 

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The director of the Illinois State Police said Wednesday there wasn’t enough evidence nearly three years ago that Robert E. Crimo III — who’s now accused of killing seven people at Highland Park’s Fourth of July parade — should have been denied a state firearm permit over a report of violent threats to his family.

The state police approved Crimo III’s request for a firearm owner’s identification card in January 2020.

 

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The director of the Illinois State Police said Wednesday there wasn’t enough evidence nearly three years ago that Robert E. Crimo III — who’s now accused of killing seven people at Highland Park’s Fourth of July parade — should have been denied a state firearm permit over a report of violent threats to his family.

The state police approved Crimo III’s request for a firearm owner’s identification card in January 2020.

If that is true - then I am really pessimistic about the future in the USA.

He was suicidal and threatened the family members.
Granted, his father later denied it - but, for a true professional, it should have been obvious that this person must be denied weapons at all cost.

Well, this doesn't look good.
Not at all.
 

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I'm not sure he was bullied - there are not reports about it.
In fact, he seemed to have friends through his interests: skating, music.

In my opinion, he suffers from mental disturbances, which were not diagnosed and not treated.
His home environment didn't help either.

Add drugs, violent games and isolation.
A recipe for disaster :(

MOO

Yes, he did have friends who said he was quiet and a loner and actually had a girlfriend at one time. However, if a group of adults on a website that is supposed to be empathic to victims starts making comments like 'he looks like he has fetal alcohol syndrome, or he looks like a nutbar, or he's weird looking' I can imagine he experienced those types of comments as a teenager in school as well. Kids don't usually have a filter, but adults should. All of his facial features are quite attractive; he has big expressive eyes, dark shiny hair, a well defined nose, a heart shaped face and smooth skin. Google has scrubbed nearly all images of him online if you do an image search. You can find embedded images in articles like this one. He appears to be a perfectly normal looking kid to me, albeit one who messed with his appearance by getting threatening looking tats.


But ultimately, it doesn't matter what he looks like. There are some extremely handsome serial killers out there who probably used their looks to disarm their victims. Bottom line is, he killed 7 people and ran away using a disguise which implies he knew exactly what he was doing. Doesn't matter if he was an incel, an emo, or nazi.
 

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Thank you!

Ok let's talk numbers - I looked up spotify - it says you make $0.00437 for every stream on spotify (didn't say anything about subscribers) so .00437 x 16,000. = $69.92

In a video interview with his uncle - his uncle called him a youtuber. It says that you can make $18.00 for every 1,000 ad views on youtube - do we know how many followers he had on youtube?

He wasn't making any money to talk about. Couldn't have been. Where was he getting this money?




JMHO
I wondered the same but all he needed was a credit card.
 

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He was suicidal and threatened the family members.
Granted, his father later denied it - but, for a true professional, it should have been obvious that this person must be denied weapons at all cost.
This may have been a case where there was a difference between what the professionals felt and the burden of proof needed to legally prevent the person from obtaining weapons.

Also, it can be very difficult even for the professionals to gauge who is truly dangerous and who is just, well, "acting up".

For example, one of my children goes to the worst school reputation wise in a mediocre district. There are lot of kids with problems at the school. Bullying is routine and fights are common. Weapons (guns and knives) have been brought to school etc.

Every year the dedicated principle needs to make judgement calls on who is truly dangerous (expulsion) and who is "acting up" (given second- or third chances in the case of one knife carrier.) So, far she has a perfect batting average- far better than MLB players.

But... she lacks a crystal ball and could make a very wrong decision at any time. Likewise, she cannot expel students, even 'bad vibe' ones if she does not have the required burden of proof to do so.
 
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Crimo says he never saw his son as a danger to anyone, but authorities recently disclosed past instances of violence. In 2019, police in Highland Park confiscated 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from the suspect's home after a family member called claiming he "was going to kill everyone."

"Making threats to the family ... I think [that was] taken out of context," Crimo said about authorities' description of the 2019 incident. "It's like just a child's outburst, whatever he was upset about, and I think his sister called the police -- I wasn't living there." Crimo said police removed his son's knife collection from the home, after he was asked if there were any weapons in the house.

 

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This may have been a case where there was a difference between what the professionals felt and the burden of proof needed to legally prevent the person from obtaining weapons.

Also, it can be very difficult even for the professionals to gauge who is truly dangerous and who is just, well, "acting up".

For example, one of my children goes to the worst school reputation wise in a mediocre district. There are lot of kids with problems at the school. Bullying is routine and fights are common. Weapons (guns and knives) have been brought to school etc.

Every year the dedicated principle needs to make judgement calls on who is truly dangerous (expulsion) and who is "acting up" (given second- or third chances in the case of one knife carrier.) So, far she has a perfect batting average- far better than MLB players.

But... she lacks a crystal ball and could make a very wrong decision at any time. Likewise, she cannot expel students, even 'bad vibe' ones if she does not have the required burden of proof to do so.
"The burden of proof" should lie with the applicant.

In this case - why wasn't he ordered to show the document from the psychiatrist/psychologist that he was fit to have weapons?
I think it is reasonable, considering the Police was called to the house b/c of his behaviour.
 

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Crimo says he never saw his son as a danger to anyone, but authorities recently disclosed past instances of violence. In 2019, police in Highland Park confiscated 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from the suspect's home after a family member called claiming he "was going to kill everyone."

"Making threats to the family ... I think [that was] taken out of context," Crimo said about authorities' description of the 2019 incident. "It's like just a child's outburst, whatever he was upset about, and I think his sister called the police -- I wasn't living there." Crimo said police removed his son's knife collection from the home, after he was asked if there were any weapons in the house.

"It's like just a child's outburst, whatever he was upset about, and I think his sister called the police -- I wasn't living there."

Wait, hold up. He wasn't there? I had kinda figured it was his sister that called (won't go into the "why") But if dad wasn't there - how does he even know what happened? Plus with the animosity between the parents - the whole situation probably turned into a "he said-she said" type of deal. And I'm willing to bet dad took his son's "side".

With him not even being there - its impossible for him to speak about that incident - he simply doesn't know.

This just keeps getting "messier".




JMHO
 

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Crimo says he never saw his son as a danger to anyone, but authorities recently disclosed past instances of violence. In 2019, police in Highland Park confiscated 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from the suspect's home after a family member called claiming he "was going to kill everyone."

"Making threats to the family ... I think [that was] taken out of context," Crimo said about authorities' description of the 2019 incident. "It's like just a child's outburst, whatever he was upset about, and I think his sister called the police -- I wasn't living there." Crimo said police removed his son's knife collection from the home, after he was asked if there were any weapons in the house.

I had wondered which family member called the police in the 2019 incident. So it was his sister. IIRC, the media reported that he has a younger brother and an older step-sister.
 
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