IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[vestigare]

seems excessive, but what do I know.... Anyway, does this mean that it became standard practice to carry tasers? Was there a taser attached to his belt or vest? Not a word about that. JMO

I would imagine he must have regularly worn one since he is wearing one in the pictures, giving interviews about the purchase and having his vest altered for a newer model.

I do wonder why the taser had not been mentioned. I also wonder if he ever used the taser on anyone in the entire time he had one because he may not have even thought about it because he had only ever used in training and then forgot about it.

 

[cady]

If he WAS wearing it, it was an additional source of defense, as well as offense... just curious...JMO

 

[Chuz Life]

Why needlessly suffer an injury when you can stage the same scene by shooting your vest instead?

CL. The first shot hit the vest. So if he was doing it to get injured in the line of duty while wanting to show he was actually wounded. Then it would have been easier and safer for a leg shot.

We are clearly not on the same page. I wasn't making the case that this might have been an attempt to fake an injury.

But then he would have to give descriptions and help catch bad guys that didn't exist. So what would he have done then?

You seem puzzled but it's not like it hasn't been tried (and done) before (and since.)

"Part-time cop crashed his own cruiser, shot it, set it on fire - then claimed he was attacked and sparked manhunt."

So i don't think his plan was to simply orchestrate a line of duty shooting injury. Jmo

I don't know where you are getting the 'faked injury' angle from. I never introduced that as a possibility in this case.

 

[night train]

I wrote to a few local news agencies asking them to please do a story on this. I am so glad someone is finally questioning the expenditures.

Just as I suspected there was not a lot of "volunteering" going on here. People would also be surprise how often cops are paid to attend funerals of other cops.

These figures don't even include the cost of lab work, fuel, workman comp claims, nor the federal cost.

I was surprised at the number of LE that came from across the United States to attend the funeral . Who's paying for airfare, travel time etc..

 

[Chuz Life]

I also wonder if he ever used the taser on anyone in the entire time he had one because he may not have even thought about it because he had only ever used in training and then forgot about it.

In my opinion and in the scenario I imagine, it wouldn't have mattered if he had his taser and forgot about it or not. He had a radio on himself his entire career and he didn't use it to 'defend' himself either. Especially after taking a shot to the vest and as he traveled the distance of 100 feet before the next one.

They say the investigators went to the scene and tried to re-enact some of the events to explore possible escape routes. I would like to know if they re-enacted the whole thing. How do they explain a officer losing their weapon to an assailant, taking a shot to their vest and NOT immediately grabbing their radio for backup as they either run 100 feet from the guys with his gun or while running after the guys with his gun?

And all that mud and not one footprint from the alleged suspects?

wow.

 

[night train]

Seriously $7000 for three Tasers? Oh and training equipment........

seems excessive, but what do I know.... Anyway, does this mean that it became standard practice to carry tasers? Was there a taser attached to his belt or vest? Not a word about that. JMO

$7,000 sounds right. You can't go around Tazing citizens with crappy equipment. Imagine the cost if someone's injured. If I get zapped, I want my tax dollars going towards the best money can buy. Better than paying for some 3rd Grade Teacher's new MacBook Air.

 

[vestigare]

I was surprised at the number of LE that came from across the United States to attend the funeral . Who's paying for airfare, travel time etc..

Many police departments allow for what is called "Honor Guard" or Official Representatives who are paid to attend funerals and represent their PD. The money comes from taxpayers and it does cover their hotels, airfare, dress uniforms, and pay.

Sometimes other funding comes from Unions which really are just paid again by tax payers because the police officers salary is paid by taxes and then they pay a portion to the Union.

And yes, some do come on their own dime, might gett special rates frome airlines or hotelss and in some cases their PD manages to find some way to compensate them for their time anyway because that is how the system workss

Next time someone from your local PD shows up to a funeral do a FOI request on that expense. You might be a little shocked.

 

[hockeymom4]

I was surprised at the number of LE that came from across the United States to attend the funeral . Who's paying for airfare, travel time etc..

I know this isn't your question. But, I know several Chicago LE who attend the funerals of officers across the country. Years ago, they used to fly, but they are no longer allowed to. They must drive in their own personal cars. I know Sgts and below who have drove to several over the last few years. I have never asked who pays for it, but I would assume the police department reimburses them, just like when anyone travels for work. Every police department is different, so I would gather, some fly and some drive.

 

[hockeymom4]

Many police departments allow for what is called "Honor Guard" or Official Representatives who are paid to attend funerals and represent their PD. The money comes from taxpayers and it does cover their hotels, airfare, dress uniforms, and pay.

Sometimes other funding comes from Unions which really are just paid again by tax payers because the police officers salary is paid by taxes and then they pay a portion to the Union.

And yes, some do come on their own dime, might gett special rates frome airlines or hotelss and in some cases their PD manages to find some way to compensate them for their time anyway because that is how the system workss

Next time someone from your local PD shows up to a funeral do a FOI request on that expense. You might be a little shocked.

For CPD, when you have a day of Honor Guard, you are given a day off. They can use this day at there choosing, so long as the schedule allows for them to have the day off.

 

[vestigare]

In my opinion and in the scenario I imagine, it wouldn't have mattered if he had his taser and forgot about it or not. He had a radio on himself his entire career and he didn't use it to 'defend' himself either. Especially after taking a shot to the vest and as he traveled the distance of 100 feet before the next one.

They say the investigators went to the scene and tried to re-enact some of the events to explore possible escape routes. I would like to know if they re-enacted the whole thing. How do they explain a officer losing their weapon to an assailant, taking a shot to their vest and NOT immediately grabbing their radio for backup as they either run 100 feet from the guys with his gun or while running after the guys with his gun?

And all that mud and not one footprint from the alleged suspects?

wow.

I agree wow.

I rewatched the latest press conf this morning and was struck by how Filenko even contradicted himself regarding the GPS. He can't seem to keep his own stories straight. First it was GPS in car showed he was there for 20 mins then when asked what be was doing there it then was GPS on radio showed him walking around but no footprints.

And you are correct. If it is like quick sand and mud it would leave tracks if not direct footprints. But he is conveniently forgetting fresh broken vegetation. And we know vegetation gets broken down because that is how the deer tasks get there.

 

[night train]

I know this isn't your question. But, I know several Chicago LE who attend the funerals of officers across the country. Years ago, they used to fly, but they are no longer allowed to. They must drive in their own personal cars. I know Sgts and below who have drove to several over the last few years. I have never asked who pays for it, but I would assume the police department reimburses them, just like when anyone travels for work. Every police department is different, so I would gather, some fly and some drive.

As long as there's no abuse, I understand sincere expressions of grief, respect and brotherhood. If they don't care about each other I wouldn't expect much care for the citizens they're serving.

 

[vestigare]

This is just pure speculation but if you watch the latest news conf at 16:00 Filnko is asked if the shots were fired by Gliniewicz and he responds "Both shots were fired by the Lieutenant...." at that point before be finishes the word Lieutenant's and adds the word weapon Covelli whips his head around. It almost seems like Covelli thought Folenko was about to say the shots were fired by the Lieutenant.

There are other instances where Filenko answers something then looks to Covelli and Covelli nods his head.

Just a few observations. Make of them what you will.

 

[vestigare]

$7,000 sounds right. You can't go around Tazing citizens with crappy equipment. Imagine the cost iff someone's injured. If I get zapped, I want my tax dollars going towards the best money can buy. Better than paying for some 3rd Grade Teacher's new MacBook Air.

Nope, in 2010 those tasers including catridges were under $700 each for Law Enforcdment. A regular person could purchase for around $900.

Add holsters and even warranty and that is still double what they should have paid.

 

[vestigare]

For CPD, when you have a day of Honor Guard, you are given a day off. They can use this day at there choosing, so long as the schedule allows for them to have the day off.

So yes, an in lieu day is just a form of compensation.

 

[katydid23]

So yes, an in lieu day is just a form of compensation.

Do people have a problem with LE officers going to neighboring precincts to honor fallen officers?

 

[vestigare]

Do people have a problem with LE officers going to neighboring precincts to honor fallen officers?

I have a problem if they are paid or compensated by tax payers funds.
Many people have this problem and this is why so many departments have done away with this in recent years. They can not justify the budget to the tax payers.
On their own dime I don't care what they do.
Personally I think it is silly to turn up at funerals for people you don't even know. If this was someone you worked with directly or did special training with somewhere then okay but otherwise I question what exactly you think your presence is serving other than to make yourself look better. Or get a nice days pay......

 

[scmom]

Do people have a problem with LE officers going to neighboring precincts to honor fallen officers?

Apparently so. But then there are those who always find something to fault LE for.

 

[DexterMorgan]

We are clearly not on the same page. I wasn't making the case that this might have been an attempt to fake an injury.



You seem puzzled but it's not like it hasn't been tried (and done) before (and since.)

"Part-time cop crashed his own cruiser, shot it, set it on fire - then claimed he was attacked and sparked manhunt."




I don't know where you are getting the 'faked injury' angle from. I never introduced that as a possibility in this case.

So what did your original post mean about it could be a accidental suicide. Can you please re explain just so i understand. Thanks.

What is accidental about 2 shots from your own gun?

 

[vestigare]

Apparently so. But then there are those who always find something to fault LE for.

Oh geez. This is faulting people spending money that is not theirs to spend on things that they are not paid to do. The entire article is about that. Do you think we have unlimited funds to investigate crimes?

There are millions of cases in this country that go unsolved because we do not have the funds or manpower to run tests or give time to investigations and you think it is nit picking for some to think that it is stupid to be spending money on pageantry that could be spent on another crime.

 

[katydid23]

I have a problem if they are paid or compensated by tax payers funds.
Many people have this problem and this is why so many departments have done away with this in recent years. They can not justify the budget to the tax payers.
On their own dime I don't care what they do.
Personally I think it is silly to turn up at funerals for people you don't even know. If this was someone you worked with directly or did special training with somewhere then okay but otherwise I question what exactly you think your presence is serving other than to make yourself look better. Or get a nice days pay......

You do not need to know someone personally to attend their funeral and show your respect. I think it is unfair to assume that someone does it to make themselves 'look better.' I think there are lots of other reasons why someone would want to extend themselves like that. But one would have to imagine other more altruistic reasons rather than the most negative ones.