Found Deceased IL - Marlen Ochoa-Uriostegui, 19, nine months pregnant, Chicago, 24 Apr 2019

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  1. gitana1

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    Yes. But again, that's besides the point. His status is irrelevant to my post about how they failed to alert the authorities and what could've happened had they not. The baby's brain function is a red herring.

    She could've snatched the baby out of there before DNA tests and disappeared him. Or given the pace of the notification and investigation, she could've smothered him and/or simply had him taken off life support af then had him cremated. Same result. No body.

    As to Jahi Mcmath that's a different case but no. They're not allowed to take a child off life support without a parent's permission. They'd have to go to court if the parent disagreed.

    But the fact is, the hospital's inaction made that decision up to the monsters who murdered him. At least for three weeks.
     
  2. jjenny

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    In McMath case, hospital was going to take her off life support, and it was the parents that had to go to court to stop that. McMath was in fact issued a death certificate in California five years ago, so she was officially dead there. Parents had to fly her to New Jersey, where brain death isn't necessarily considered death if family disagrees. Hospital in California was not going to keep her on life support, that's why family had to remove her from the hospital and from the state. But the laws apparently differ from state to state.
     
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  3. JaneEyre

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    This is just such basic common sense for anyone, let alone people who are trained in the medical field.
     
  4. Herat

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    Reading the updates, Desiree actively participated in the plot, the murder, and the disposal of the body.

    Her mother is a psychotic killer and should never be allowed around people again
     
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  7. Stunned

    Stunned Your past explains you, It does not excuse you

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    Heads are gonna roll! And they should! The failure here on EVERY single level! Sadly her other son should live very well for the rest of his life, because of the blunders here!
     
  8. Doghairrules

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    If there is any chance the baby is improving I would want him removed from this hospital ASAP. And I hope the family finds grounds to sue them if they reported none of the circumstances in a timely manner.
     
  9. dyannaON

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    When my brother was brain dead (adult) he opened his eyes for a brief moment and even sat upright. Freaked my poor cousin out. But the nurses told Me this was normal :( jmo.
    But I do believe in miracles and anything can happen. I pray he pulls through.
     
  10. mickey2942

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    Maybe. If the baby is actually able to breathe without a respirator, there is some hope. The problem with preemies, and babies who had a traumatic birth, is that you just don't know which ones will be okay, and which ones will be severely multiply impaired. It takes time.
     
  11. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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  12. jjenny

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    From what has been reported, he either has no brain activity (brain dead) or little brain activity (severely brain damaged). Neither one suggesting a good outcome. He was deprived of oxygen while his mother was being strangled to death. Brain dies the fastest of all organs.
     
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    I spent years working with children who had been considered "brain dead" with severe Anoxia, lack of oxygen to the brain, but their bodies kept working, no respirator needed. They have to be tube fed, with a button in their stomach. All of them were in wheelchairs. Children like this are eligible for special education services until age 22 in public school.

    It is not my opinion whether or not this little guy will make it, but if he ends up breathing on his own, they don't pull any "plugs".
     
  16. jjenny

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    They wouldn't be brain dead, just brain damaged. By definition, brain dead persons can not breathe on their own. There is no brain function in a brain dead person, thus they can not survive without a respirator.
     
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  17. mickey2942

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    I don't know, either way, I hope he gets better. Having a child with severe multiple disabilities is definitely a game changer. People get so wrapped up in "saving" the baby, they don't have a realistic idea of what the potential outcomes there are...and it really is a toss up. In this case, who knows.

    The people who did this should definitely get the death penalty.
     
  18. jjenny

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    There is no death penalty in IL. Yes, I am afraid in this case the child surviving might be a severely disabled child which is what sounds like, since he has either little or no brain function.
     
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    My thoughts as a nurse and former social worker about the hospital not calling DCFS is that this hospital needs to be made an example for mandated reporters that you HAVE to call no matter what you think or don't think happened or whether or not you think someone else already reported it.

    I suspect that no one called because everyone assumed someone else already had, for example ER nurses and Dr. didn't report because they thought EMS already had called it in or because they thought NICU social worker would once baby was taken to NICU, then NICU staff didn't because they assumed EMS or ER staff had. It's a cycle I've seen before especially in a big busy facility.
     
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