- Jun 19, 2015
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Disposing of the I-Pass monitor is also a curious event. Are there any Freeways over on that side of Illinois that she would not want to be detected on?
I've always wondered about the Amish adoption possibility since initially following this story. I am sure the detective has followed up on that. If he's as dedicated to the case as the stories suggest, he's probably followed up on everything.
It does give me hope that he believes Tim is alive. He knows more details including the amount of blood found in the car (worrying for me) and still feels good for Tim.
I'm friends with Pitzen family members on facebook and do also get the sense that they are somewhat removed from this story. But we all deal in our own ways. I'd be much more of a hot mess.
I initially came back to check on the thread because of the revelation that the cell phone had been found. I think that's fascinsting. It was found on the side of the road presumably where Amy made those last phone calls with Tim before going off grid? So that tells us why there were no more cell pings.
Again there wouldn't be any outgoing calls to an Amish community as they don't have phones, or access to news. If she said her son was being abused and gave consent to adopt would they take him in?
Interesting idea. I don't remember enough about the details of this case, but here is a website with a list of the amish schools in WI and a map of their locations, which should closely approximate amish congregations in the state. http://www.privateschoolreview.com/religiousSelection/typeReli/3/stateid/WI
Amish do often use modern medical care, however.
Amy's phone was located along a stretch of hwy 78 in Carroll county back in Oct. 2013. Apparently they were able to 'track' her phone to that location, but it contained no clues. I wish they'd release a bit more in depth details - by 'track' do they mean by way of gps, or sniffer dogs? was the phone in tact? did it appear to be damaged from say, being tossed out a moving car window? how far off the road was it?
I've been scanning earlier posts in search of the map that detailed Amy's route from start to finish - found this one first - kudos to you, wondergirl for putting this together. :tyou:
I don't think the Amish theory is far-fetched, not at all, not in this case.
-There's a very large Amish community in the Sauk valley,
(in Columbia county, WI - too).
-the toys were dinky, but required no batteries.
-If you weren't specifically looking for a child within their very private communities, you would 'never find him'.
grr, can't work this darn laptop mouse thing to save my life. So can't figure out co-ords. There is an interesting area to me, NW of the Anna R Page Forest Preserve
This addy- 3747 N Meridian Rd
Rockford, IL 61101-9318
go just north of it and turn right on Porter Rd. Go app. 1/2 mile and there is a opening on the right that goes into a field. Can't tell that it is gated. Meander south back down in there. Looks like it might be accessible by a SUV, may not all be mown, doesn't appear to be crops and has several water features.
This area more largely bounded by Meridian Rd, Porter, Kilburn/70, Springfield, and Safford. Actually also see some interesting areas off of Safford between Springfield and Kilburn/70
‘You’ll Never Find Him’: Four Years After Mother’s Suicide, Search for Missing Son Continues
I just watched this on The Hunt. Suicidal parents are a huge danger to their kids. I am convinced this woman never would've handed her child off to someone else to raise, taking him from his home, father, grandmother, etc., before killing herself.
Mothers who commit suicide often fear leaving their children alone in the world without them. Hence, some murder their kids before killing or intending to kill themselves.
Timmothy's mother fits the "profile" of a suicidal mother who kills her child, almost to a T.
Most mothers (70%) in filicide/suicide cases had prior mental health histories- And in most of them (70% of those who had prior mental health histories), the mental health issue was depression.
School-aged kids were more often killed in suicide/filicide cases and when the murderous parent was the child's mother, the mean age of the victim was 5.8 years of age.
Typically, mothers who committed suicide/filicide had no prior criminal histories, no history of abusing their kids, no history of drug or alcohol abuse and there was no history of domestic violence in the marriage.
The motive of most of the mothers in these cases (90%), was altruism- saving their kids from suffering in a world without them. The parents in these cases tended to "over-love" their children and think of them as extensions of themselves. "Timmothy belongs to me. I can do with him what I want."
This woman clearly took her child on a last hurrah before killing him.
The hand-off theory, especially with an Amish family, indeed is totally far fetched and not the kind of thing suicidal parents tend to do. And is there any evidence she was communicating with anyone shadowy or unknown who might have taken her kid? Or had any dealings with the Amish? They are insular people who do not tend to fraternize with outsiders and want to avoid problems with the government. I can't think of any scenario in which an Amish family would willingly take an English child into their family. Makes zero sense. For what purpose?
No. I think it's pretty obvious that she murdered her child somewhere before killing herself and was too ashamed to admit to that in her letter to her mom.
As a side note, there is a feeling of relief in some of the suicidal parents who kill themselves and it can be so strong that some do not carry through with the final step of killing themselves.
http://ktla.com/2015/08/28/youll-never-find-him-four-years-after-mothers-suicide-search-for-missing-son-continues/Amys biggest fear, according to her family and friends, was that a judge would take her son away because of her mental health issues.
I've always felt that she hide his body so her family wouldnt know what she did and believe she gave him away.http://ktla.com/2015/08/28/youll-never-find-him-four-years-after-mothers-suicide-search-for-missing-son-continues/
IF this was truly her biggest fear, I can't see her willingly leaving him with someone else to take care of if she planned suicide.
I've never understood though why people think she would hide his body if she murdered him.
Just saw this on 20/20 on ID, very sad for this little boy. It reminded me of another story that kind of played out on Nancy Grace show. The mom was Asian and I believe she ended up killing herself, but not sure if her son was ever found or what the outcome was. I know the dad was on NG show a lot while they were searching for his son.
That was Trenton Duckett. He remains missing to this day.