GUILTY IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #9 *Arrest*

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  1. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for doing that. I appreciate it.
    Other nugget from Gazette article yesterday was that tB's flatmates would not allow him inside their place.
    Other nugget from march was he trying to persuade Tb to allow him to stay with her 'family' the night of the march.
    Wheels within wheels here.
    Both women have now, apparetly gone in different directions, Michelle protecting him by scrubbing his internet rubbish etc, changing tack with FBI, unable to admit she still loves him when asked.
    I wonder whether their testimonies will conflict in court?
     
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    dm92 Well-Known Member

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  3. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    Dunno.. they had 2 full years, after all...
    I hope they did a little more work than that!
     
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  4. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    What would possess Michelle to continue supporting him at this point?
    Is it because she hasn't heard the tapes yet? As a witness she likely has not.
    I mean WOW. That's just unbelievable.
     
  5. kittythehare

    kittythehare Well-Known Member

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    I have had many different views throughout the case...
    I saw her as one of his victims for a long time, stuck in a hopelessly codependent relationship with him. Putting up with his infidelities, possibly a submissive.
    I also see her as his mother figure.
    Maybe she has a new man now, maybe not.
    Maybe now she can reclaim her power and feels compassion for him instead of ire, because she has gained a little distance.
    But she has been working with his defense lawyers for a year and tried to pull her agreement to search in her last court appearance.
    I think she's quite conflicted.
    But she was with him for a very long time, possibly enabled his moral disintegration without knowing what she was doing...
    She worked, he played, she earned money, he spent it.
    A slave?
     
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  6. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    With all the evidence it's almost like he wanted to be caught. Internet searches, abduction caught on CCTV, killing her in the apartment, the purchases caught on camera, attending the vigil, on camera again, confessing everything to his girlfriend. The only thing he has knowledge of that no-one else has is the location of YY's remains and he does not want to give that up. Now pleading not guilty but stating he's guilty. Why? All for show and notoriety maybe? Why the claim of 13 victims total? This guy is a fantasist but where does the reality begin? Just this one murder hopefully. This is all so sick and depraved it is beyond belief.
     
  7. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Does anyone remember the missing 5 hours? Was it from phone records? That could correspond to 200 miles driving and body disposal perhaps. MOO.
     
  8. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    So he searched on the 8th for cleaning products. Then no searches till the 12th - just a couple. Then daily searches following the investigation from 17th till the 30th. I tried to copy and paste some of the info into here but found it impossible.

    So far nothing mentioned about Fetlife and abduction 101 then?
     
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    He was driving around all morning so that uses gas. How much money did he have to gas up ?

    Yyz should have money, so he coulda use hers (robbery as well?). I doubt that yyz carries a lot of money. But in this case, the apartment might ask her to put cash deposit. The amount of money can be tabulated because she gets her money overseas and her two months work at the University.

    Just some thoughts.
     
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    I wonder what searches he did prior to 8th? We know he had ideas of what he was going to do from here, there and everywhere.

    Had he been searching 6 months before 8th? 12 months before?

    When did he join fetlife and the other sites? Prior to knowing TB? Yet he said that she introduced him to BDSM.
     
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    Maybe he got something on her ? Ie. She was involved in the other murders he mentioned? Like murder team of some sort ?

    It doesn't make financial sense for Michelle to support him.

    Just some thoughts.
     
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    Regarding Michelle, I can understand her being conflicted at first. But after having two years to think about how horrifying this is? I would be sickened to think I ever laid with this man.
     
  13. Raptors001

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    Everyone assumes michelle is innocent, but I have seen the homalka case where the female ( Karla I think) was involved. Tag team murderers. Might want to ask Michelle about that the other 12 murders. She might not be involved in this one, but might be the others.

    Just some thoughts.
     
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    What searches were found on University computers left open???

    Walk by a work station, user hasn't logged out, casually type "dispose of a body," print 3 pages on that user's account, complete Log Out sequence, pick up pages, keep moving....


    JMHO

    And, JMHO, someone might not mind LWOP if their attempts at adult life were unsuccessful. If indeed MZC functioned as his Mom & he was loosing that function in his life, maybe this:

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    Room & board provided
    Weight room provided
    Books,TV, media provided
    Medical, dental, behavioral health care provided

    BC can fantasize all day & most of the night with essentially no responsibilities.

    Kinda like the life MZC was enabling him to live?

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    Justice, or something close, for Ms. Zhang & her loved ones!
     
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    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Exactly!
    At first, totally understandable. It's NOW I'm confused by.

    I would also be terrified that by supporting him I would be implicated. It would be one thing if he was innocent. I would probably still not have the balls to publicly support him. But with him confessing on tape? Oh hell nah. :eek:
     
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    This is just a guess and not even really an opinion.

    The only reason I can guess that Michelle is testifying for the defense is to try to help get LWOP instead of the DP. Not because she feels sorry for him or still loves him, but to seperate herself from this case ASAP.

    Defense may have approached her and said something like...LE knows he did it, he confessed in an undercover recording, BC told us he did it, he also told us he doesn't care whether he lives or dies but just wants to be infamous, but our DUTY as defense is to put our best case forward and at this point try to get him LWOP. If he gets the DP there will be multiple appeals and you will be called to testify over and over for years. Do you really want to put you and your family through this for years to come? Help us as a witness and there is a chance we can get LWOP and you can wash your hands of your exhusband for life.

    I could see that approach to her by the defense. They DO have a Duty, no matter how disgusting it seems to us, to attempt to provide the best possible defense they can and get LWOP instead of the DP.
     
  17. kittythehare

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    It's on @mrsobrien's original post.
    I highly recommend everybody reads that.
    She had to copy/paste it a few threads back because I dont know how to pull it up. Does anybody?
    It's an important post!
    I know he definitely logged on.
    I think they're just streamlining everything, as they tend to do in fed cases.
    It's annoying.
    They had ONE job- #FindYY.
    From what I see presented already by them, though it's early days, we did a much better job searching while not being physically present.
    They're throwing out a few crumbs, piecemeal, omitting most...
    Transcripts will not be on Pacer for 90 days because it is a federal case.
    He's guilty.
    I don't believe they tried hard enough to locate her remains. I never did.
     
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    Wasn’t the first attempted abduction a few hours before Yyz? That would have him driving around quite a bit and using some of the gas. I think he had the dump site already picked out and it was likely a burial. That rum was for his little celebration afterwards, I just don’t believe he was that drunk driving around and being that active to abduct, rape, murder and drive again to dispose. He disposed of her in the dead of night.
    Michelle and Terra....both low self esteem, both codependent, prob both suffer from depression and anxiety...they were his victims as well...wrapped up in this dark man and his dark fantasies that made them feel so needed, so important...
    Michelle probably could guess where she is, maybe a drive they took a few years back, a trip to a lake or a picnic or a campground in happier times, a place that BC remembered well and thought of as perfect for his crime. She should be questioned more...
    This was his first. As a grad student, especially in the sciences, there is very little time off. Women being abducted in broad daylight once a year around here would be very hard to miss.
     
  19. kittythehare

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    She also scraped his reddit comments, possibly other social media comments too following his arrest. The police were able to get them, I believe.
    She was asked during her last appearance whether she still loved him.
    She looked straight into his eyes and asked 'is that relevant'?
     
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    I'd never thought of him using comps in Uni for a search or two, nice thinking.

    MZC supporting him these last few years, must have grated on her somewhat having to keep him. Paying for his booze and a leg over here and there. (Sorry about that! I'll delete that bit if anyone wants me to)


    Yes, I would say supporting him must make her think folk will think she's involved, but we don't know that. There hasn't been any mention of her being involved at this stage.

    No way would he get a penny from me. It would haunt me especially as he confessed on tape.
     
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