Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #159
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Completely agree. Felony Murder is the charge and MOO looks secure.
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I watch all his stuff, he's a nut! I remember in the very first days of this case he had the best graphics, maps & analysis on here.
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Richard Allen's attorneys had me questioning the PCA after the hearing. After reading it now, the gun evidence (which I believe there will be more to come) definitely makes me have confidence that "he's the guy." His defense attorney is "good" but not as good as the evidence that I feel will be shown if a trial is held.
Continued prayers for the family and friends of the girls. This is a new chapter they are in. It has to be very rough.
Continued prayers for the family and friends of the girls. This is a new chapter they are in. It has to be very rough.
One major question I've always had about this case is why in the hell the killer made the girls, and himself, cross the creek. JH told us all the reenactments are inaccurate.
What if RA made the girls go DTH, and right there in the woods below the bridge, made them undress and whatever else.
IDK. Likely, L's phone was not in her hand, but somewhere on the ground. If, by chance, they were still there at 3:11 when L's dad called her phone (or even just anyone called), maybe the phone ringing, and possibly L saying her dad was looking for them, freaked RA out and he was worried he'd get caught, so he ordered them to toss their clothes near the water, cross the creek, killed them and tried to hide them, then tried to sneak out through the woods, up to the road, maybe through the fields, all to avoid the trail and L's dad.
What if RA made the girls go DTH, and right there in the woods below the bridge, made them undress and whatever else.
IDK. Likely, L's phone was not in her hand, but somewhere on the ground. If, by chance, they were still there at 3:11 when L's dad called her phone (or even just anyone called), maybe the phone ringing, and possibly L saying her dad was looking for them, freaked RA out and he was worried he'd get caught, so he ordered them to toss their clothes near the water, cross the creek, killed them and tried to hide them, then tried to sneak out through the woods, up to the road, maybe through the fields, all to avoid the trail and L's dad.It's a historic route 66 hat.
Blame game. CCSO is the proper investigating agency, with support from ISP and FBI. The CCSO is has really not been professional and this gigantic error is the result of that.
This is not a lost “tip” per se, but a failure to follow police procedure and faithfully use a crime flow map, and timeline checklist. “The FBI” did it is a convenient cop out and cover.
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Can't really tell. It looks like some kind of a badge? Maybe? Why do you ask?
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Dangit, I should have recognized it!
Apologize if this has already been stated in the last 18 pages which I'm trying to catch up on but...
I looked up last the night the stock market activity for February 13, 2017
Dow Jones Close 2/13/17 Stock Market Closing Prices
Apparently the Dow Jones/markets set an all-time high that day (though way surpassed since). Common knowledge that people check their portfolios on days when market is up way more often than when market is down. He may not have owned individual stocks but he/wife could have maintained a market-indexed Union pension plan account or similar. Aside from owning a middle-class house outright, and owning a gun(s) that wasn't cheap, could be clues that perhaps the family asset wealth was fairly high if they also had some Investments. All that to say there would be some validity that he was interested in the stock ticker that day if all-time highs were reached and their account values were increasing to unbeforeseen balances - and that years later he would remember doing that on that day while walking between bridges. (No way he was looking at his phone while in the midst of crossing the dilapidated High Bridge, but on the way there, maybe so.)
Offset of course by the premise that if you were on your way to commit a double-murder which could result in the death penalty, what would it really matter if your investment balance was increasing but you couldn't use the $$ for anything?
I looked up last the night the stock market activity for February 13, 2017
Dow Jones Close 2/13/17 Stock Market Closing Prices
Apparently the Dow Jones/markets set an all-time high that day (though way surpassed since). Common knowledge that people check their portfolios on days when market is up way more often than when market is down. He may not have owned individual stocks but he/wife could have maintained a market-indexed Union pension plan account or similar. Aside from owning a middle-class house outright, and owning a gun(s) that wasn't cheap, could be clues that perhaps the family asset wealth was fairly high if they also had some Investments. All that to say there would be some validity that he was interested in the stock ticker that day if all-time highs were reached and their account values were increasing to unbeforeseen balances - and that years later he would remember doing that on that day while walking between bridges. (No way he was looking at his phone while in the midst of crossing the dilapidated High Bridge, but on the way there, maybe so.)
Offset of course by the premise that if you were on your way to commit a double-murder which could result in the death penalty, what would it really matter if your investment balance was increasing but you couldn't use the $$ for anything?
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I'm not even surprised. The alias, typo. There was also the wrong month on one of the courts websites for a while, so having another typo in the PCA is really not surprising.
I've dealt with a lot of PCAs in my career and have seen an incredible amount of typos. So the 2022 typo isn't surprising, especially since when you're using some software programs when you type the date it'll automatically assume the current year and autofill that for you.
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In answer to what are now repeated claims that the defense has a resource in the similarity of RA's Sig Sauer P226 to the standard Indiana State Police officer's Sig Sauer P227, I'll risk repeating a point that's overlooked in such posts:
The Wikipedia page for the P226:
SIG Sauer P226 - Wikipedia
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From there:
The SIG Sauer P226 is a full-sized, service pistol made by SIG Sauer. This model is sold with a choice of four chambers to choose from: the 9×19mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, or .22 Long Rifle.
RA has the .40 version. The unspent cartridge from the crime scene is also .40.
SIG Sauer P227 - Wikipedia
The P227 introduced a double-stack .45 ACP caliber handgun into the SIG Sauer lineup.
It comes only in .45 ACP. This is what an Indiana cop might accidentally, never mind how, drop on a crime scene.
A forensic tech handed RA's Sig Sauer and a .45 round from a crime scene will not do extended analysis of tiny scratch marks to tell if that round came from that gun. He will inform you that the CS cartridge is too fat to ever chamber in RA's gun.
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ISP aren't the only law enforcement agency in Indiana... Jefferson PD for example, 25 miles up the road, issues the SIG P226 40mm (http://services.cityofjeff.net/WebL...ille_Police_Department_Policy_Manual 2017.pdf), only one of a handful of LEAs in the US that do, by the looks of it.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying I believe this is what happened, I'm just poking and asking provocative questions. I think it's fair to do that.
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"You made me pause The Shack to tell me this?!"
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In the last thread it was mentioned that RA saying he'd never lent his gun out was painting himself into a corner, I wonder if he was so willing to discuss his gun with LE because he knew the girls weren't killed by gun so he thought talking about his gun would not implicate him in the murders.
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I don't think anybody here - not that I've seen - has suggested a .45 would fit in a .40 barrel. But the idea that RA is the only person to own 40mm ammunition is a stretch, so the forensics on that have to be ROCK SOLID. IMO.
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Great visual for those not familiar with this particular firearm.In answer to what are now repeated claims that the defense has a resource in the similarity of RA's Sig Sauer P226 to the standard Indiana State Police officer's Sig Sauer P227, I'll risk repeating a point that's overlooked in such posts:
The Wikipedia page for the P226:
SIG Sauer P226 - Wikipedia
From there:
The SIG Sauer P226 is a full-sized, service pistol made by SIG Sauer. This model is sold with a choice of four chambers to choose from: the 9×19mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, or .22 Long Rifle.
RA has the .40 version. The unspent cartridge from the crime scene is also .40.
SIG Sauer P227 - Wikipedia
The P227 introduced a double-stack .45 ACP caliber handgun into the SIG Sauer lineup.
It comes only in .45 ACP. This is what an Indiana cop might accidentally, never mind how, drop on a crime scene.
A forensic tech handed RA's Sig Sauer and a .45 round from a crime scene will not do extended analysis of tiny scratch marks to tell if that round came from that gun. He will inform you that the CS cartridge is too fat to ever chamber in RA's gun.
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They do, they speak to diligence. But it is a drafting error and so holds no weight, at least not in the English legal system.
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Perhaps Route 66 , I do see wings on each side of the number
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Good spot! Do you have any other pics of him wearing that insignia?
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