Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #85

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  1. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Well-Known Member

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    He didn’t take Libby’s phone. A duffle bag was discarded. Sounds to me like he did not want to get caught with any of those items on his person? MOO
     
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  2. Confusion

    Confusion Creative Spelling Expert

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    I'm not so sure the duffel bag was discarded, I've never heard that one was found. I'm wondering if they only knew about it because the witness who saw him leaving noticed that he was carrying one.
     
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  3. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure either :/ I just remember IN LE asking that question & it has bothered me ever since because it was only mentioned one time.
     
  4. margarita25

    margarita25 Jessica Ridgeway. Never Forgotten.

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    I think they assume or think he may have had supplies, changed clothes, maybe could be traveling ( hence the Hoosier Hwy reference added with dufflebag quote, iirc)
     
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  5. RIP Meagan + Johnny

    RIP Meagan + Johnny Active Member

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    Hi katydid,

    JMO, but I wondered if he had familiarity with the area and hid a kit there in preparation to commit a crime against *someone* that day. That he didn’t have a particular victim(s) in mind, and just happened to find Abby and Libby during a lull in pedestrian activity. Provided, of course, this was a crime of opportunity.

    JMO
    RIP M+J
     
  6. Carebear1977

    Carebear1977 New Member

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    I wish this were true. Unfortunately the state if Indiana does not currently allow the use of familial DNA. We have been working to get this changed. But as of yet, I don't think it has been. Please correct me if I am wrong.
     
  7. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath Your Bed

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    They don’t allow criminal DNA databases to be searched with this method. Several states do allow this, but Indiana isn’t one of them.

    That doesn’t mean that outside (non criminal) databases can’t be searched though. So the tools used to catch Golden State, could still be utilized here.
     
  8. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Well-Known Member

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    ^^This! Exactly! Using geneaolgy is like a loop hole for LE.
     
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  9. Spartygirl

    Spartygirl Verified Insider - Michael Vanzandt case

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    Yes, I have been following this since she went missing and then recently heard she was found in a truck in KY and the man is from my hometown !! YIKES... tomorrow I plan on doing some digging on him as there is a slight resemblance to BG, but I have thought that about several others also LOL.
     
  10. cailleach

    cailleach Well-Known Member

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    I watched a piece just recently on 20/20 or a similar program with a woman who uses geneaology databases to help solve crimes. IIRR, I've seen the same woman help adopted/abandoned children find their families. It's a great resource to help solve crimes.
     
  11. Spartygirl

    Spartygirl Verified Insider - Michael Vanzandt case

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    YES!!! Which brings me back to the press release when LE was asking if anyone had seen a backpack randomly along side the road or tossed out. He had to have removed the top layering of his clothes, which would explain why he appears so bulky, etc. then he can throw top layer of clothes, that were wet and bloody into backpack or sack, and walk out dressed totally different.
     
  12. cailleach

    cailleach Well-Known Member

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    Are there any books/articles that do a great job outlining the timeline of events as they're known at this time?
     
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  13. Ozoner

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    But do we even know whether the trucker abducted the girl?
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    She may have just lied about her age and caught a lift from him at a truck stop (which would hardly make him a suspect in this case).
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    I see a slight resemblance to the still images of BG in terms of facial shape, but the trucker certainly isn't a dead ringer for the sketch.
     
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  14. mtnlites

    mtnlites Scooby Doo Gang Membership Pending

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    I live 30 minutes from Lex and I have an aunt and several cousins who live in Delphi and Lafayette. The towns are in different states and when we go up to visit, it takes almost 5 hours. While they may appear geographically close on a map, I don't know a single person in either place who would consider them to be in the same area. For one thing, there is no direct way to get to Delphi from here. You either have to go through Louisville or up through OH and cut across. Cincinnati is 2 hours from us and we don't even consider that being the same area. With Indiana being in the midwest, MANY places are within driving distance (Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, northern KY, even Wisconsin).
     
  15. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Well-Known Member

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    Yes it really is an awesome resource! I was so fascinated by ancestry stuff that I sent in my DNA & was just amazed at how it quickly filled in blanks for me with my family tree!
    I love hearing about all these cold cases being solved using this technology :)
    As soon as news broke about how they captured the GSK, my very first thought was hoping IN LE would use that same tech for Libby & Abby’s case! I am so thrilled the thread is open now & just felt like we could all finally discuss the possibility of using it to catch BG!
     
  16. cailleach

    cailleach Well-Known Member

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    I so hope this horrible person will be caught and there will be justice for these sweet young girls and their families. I don't believe this was his first murder nor that it will be his last. He has to be caught!!
     
  17. Charlot123

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    Well, people who download DNA into Gedmatch are interested in genealogy, in family trees.

    There is a huge group of people who do these tests for “health”, expect to find them as anonymous users in commercial systems, and many run their DNAs through Promethease, not Gedmatch.

    To add, there were some limitations for a few years, for example, 23@me could not process samples from NY and some other states. It is all in the past.

    I dumped all our family DNA’s to Gedmatch. Unfortunately, we are not Western Europeans, but whatever one can do. But here comes the new problem, as I have already said, V5 chipped (newest) 23@me samples are not compatible with Gedmatch. To bypass, Gedmatch made a Genesis version, where one can upload newest 23@mes, as well as data from other commercial systems, but the older ones from regular Gedmatch do not get automatically transferred, so we still have to re-upload all ours.

    Potentially Geni database can be used too, but 23@me effectively made their data limited to themselves.
     
  18. coffeeandacig

    coffeeandacig Well-Known Member

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    As mentioned in previous threads, BG may have killed before Abby and Libby. If it's true, then geographical profiling may help in finding his location. And that is the angle that I've been researching.

    Also in the previous threads, the 2 cases were brought up due to their being unsolved disappearances while these girls were walking alone, and one being a red head. They were also mentioned because of their geographical proximity to Libby German's mother and grandmother's home in Harrodsburg, Ky (20 miles and 58 miles respectively).
     
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  19. JudgeJudi

    JudgeJudi Well-Known Member

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    Six months after the murders Alexis McAdams reported:

    Investigators say Libby hit record after he approached them near the Monon High Bridge. The Investigative Commander said investigators have more audio from Libby’s phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene.

    “It does not appear to be anything more than some discussion between the girls. We have only released a portion of it. There are some others we think could help us, but again, protecting the integrity of the investigation is key so we cannot release everything because there are certain people that know the details and if we release it all then we get into false confessions,” said Sgt. Holeman.

    There is no mention of a photo being taken of BG, only the video and the audio recording. Photos and video were also taken before they encountered BG.

    Liberty felt something wasn’t right so she started recording.

    He wouldn’t comment on whether Libby turned off her phone or whether it kept running.

    He wouldn’t comment on whether a weapon had been left at the scene.

    Several people who saw BG on the trails that day helped LE develop the composite drawing which took 1 1/2 to 2 weeks to develop. More than a few people said they saw him. It seemed obvious to me that he thinks the person was familiar with the area.

    The link contains an Alexis McAdams video and a full interview with the lead investigator.

    Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence
     
  20. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Personally, if my/family DNA helps catch a serial killer, i’d be only too happy. However, I am not a lawyer, from a legal standpoint I understand that privacy is a serious thing. But obtaining DNA from someone suspected should not be a problem, the problem is to narrow down to a few suspects. On the other hand, collecting DNA even from a few people looks so much better than old lineup!
     
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