Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #86

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  1. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Hatfield, I agree regarding BG planning this, researching the area and the remoteness, knowing suitable spots for 'hiding while in action' and access to this spot.
    I don't believe, all this was due to chance.
    MOO.
     
  2. minazoe

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    I agree that some study of the area had to be acquired. some basic understanding of the lay of the land. Most military are trained to access the surroundings quickly and efficiently.
    maybe he got lucky.

    I wish someone would go there and put his car in the lot.
    then hang around and see who turns up..
    see if they can run to the car and get their kit and make it back to the bridge in time.

    could he have attempted this multiple times before he was successful?

    I feel like if he had gone back to his car he was relying on timing. what if the girls had been
    out of site by the time he came back? would he have gone looking further?

    somehow he knew he could make it...could he still see them from the lot?

    I want to go there and retrace them. IMO
     
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  4. book-thinker

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    I now carry person pepper stray, if anything slowing someone down, giving time to run. I'm also former military,
    aware of my surrounding, was drill into the females.
     
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    RBBM.
    Is that newly released info? I was following this case closely but have not checked in recently.
     
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    Not new info. Law enforcement gave a general overview of information about the recording at a press conference that they were prepared to release to the public. I’m sure there is a lot we don’t know that they are not releasing publicly.
     
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    I think that is imortant to consider. Interests, like historic trains, very well could have a common denominator with a person awaiting an opportunity like this, while still wanting to seek out a lonely ol’ day trip. I still feel after all this time, the main goal was an opportunity to commit a SA by the perp and he came across the right opportunity.

    It is awfully coincidental to imagine a day tripper, possibly a railroad enthusiast, but let no stone be unturned, right?

    The dots need some connections. I know some of the dots aren’t alllowed here, because we need a MSM source to document. All the same, not every possibility is revealed in the media. Hope the investistagors are fielding out the lies, and looking for direct evidence, or second hand evidence.
     
  8. Blueberry2720

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    No, not new news. LE verbally released some of the girls' conversation that was recorded on the phone. The only audio LE released to the public was the perp saying "down the hill".
     
  9. StarryStarryNight

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    This is all very good advice and I would add try not to put yourself in vulnerable situations although sometimes that's not possible. I say this as someone who was attacked years ago in a parking lot. Knife to throat. Other details not necessary. It doesn't always happen to someone else. Been pretty hyper vigilant since. Had PTSD before it was "cool". Crippling. What helped me was, after a few years, taking a martial art. I got my confidence back! Remember our instructor telling us once if we are ever attacked DON'T FIGHT FAIR.
    I've put the pieces back together! Stay safe friends!
     
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    I’m so glad you survived and are coping with what happened StarryStarryNight.

    I know PTSD is very serious I witnessed and got help in a violent attempted murder eight years ago and it still affects me. I am very thankful for the counselling I have received.
     
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    Starry, I am so sorry that happened. I'm glad you are feeling more confident, and martial arts really is a life saver for giving people their power back. Don't fight fair is amazing advice. But to take it further...

    I feel like many women (and men) need to remember that it is ok not to be polite. If someone is making you feel uncomfortable, your safety is more important than their feelings. I've posted in this thread about this before, but I was out hiking with my dog, and a man gave me the heebie jeebies. I met him in the parking lot, and he was staring at me. When I met him on the trail (which was usually well-traveled) I put my German Shepherd in a tight heel, raised my phone, and took a picture of him. Stared him down as meanly as I could. Then took a photo of his car when I got back to the parking lot. There was something about him that made me REALLY uncomfortable. Watching the news that night, I saw his face. He was arrested for assaulting a woman on another trail in the adjacent town, who was walking her big dog, no less.

    I have tried to think of what might have set me off about him. Certainly, he didn't look like he belonged on that trail. It is in a really wealthy community, and pretty much everyone there is walking a dog. He was dressed sort of oddly for hiking, and didn't have a dog. But he also had a soccer bag style backpack with him, which really stuck out, because this trail isn't big enough to need to bring supplies. Whatever it was, my gut was absolutely screaming that something was wrong. And thank goodness I listened. Normally, my need to be polite would have been the driving factor, and I would have smiled politely even if he made me uncomfortable, but I had a guardian angel looking out for me that day.

    So ladies, be rude if there is cause. It might make no difference, but it might also make all the difference.
     
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    A book, recommended on one of the Websleuths sites is "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker.
    I am reading this at the present time.
    It is all about intuition: follow it.
    You certainly followed yours.
    Fantastic.

    Edit: Sorry, I was replying to OneParticularHarbor.
     
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    I'm sorry that you went though a vicious attack. Your hyper vigilant too your surrounds, and taking martial arts,
    gave back your confidence. And your absolutely correct if attacked DON'T FIGHT FAIR.

    Watching news stories, of women being dragged off and later found murdered.
    I will fight off the attacker to my last breath, also would attempt to get DNA under my nails, before allowing someone to drag me off and better chance of being killed.
    One last thought, all school's need to include in their curriculum, classes how best to handle situations, feeling someone is
    following you. Do not follow what they tell you to do, this could safe your life. Skills to fighting off your attacker.
     
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    Starry, what a horrid experience for you.
    But pleased you are feeling fine.
    It appears your martial arts program has helped you, with obtaining confidence again.

    Since reading about the violent crimes everywhere, I now am very careful where I walk my little dog: no longer quiet areas etc.
    After, I changed my habits, I read about a violent murder at a deserted beach: the victim was with her LARGE dog.
    Even if we stay around the neighbourhood, murders occur.
    When I walk my dog in the neighbourhood, I carry a stick, and cross the road, when I feel 'uncomfortable'.
     
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    I couldn't imagine, what you possibly, have gone through because of the attempted murder.
    Surely, it affects one for life.
    No matter the help we receive, these events must certainly cause us harm, I would think.
    Thank goodness, you have been helped, and have responded well.
    MOO.
     
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