Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #88

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  1. Blondie in Spokane

    Blondie in Spokane Well-Known Member

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    ITA Greg - I will never forget Supt. Carter’s demeanor during that PC. “Emotional and haunted” are perfect adjectives to describe him. He really cares and he was terribly shaken by these murders. That PC is burned into my memory as it made me feel like Carter & LE involved would move heaven and earth to find the perp who killed Abby & Libby.

    It brings to mind the PC’s held by Chief Tim Longo while trying to locate (missing at the time) Hannah Graham. Longo was animated, emotional and absolutely demanding that the public get involved and help them find Hannah NOW! You could tell that this man truly knew Hannah’s case from top to bottom and was invested in it to the core. He was terrific and so effective!

    As long as Supt. Carter is on the case I have a positive feeling about the final outcome. Carter gives off a ‘trusting’ vibe so i believe it’s just a matter of time before this case will be solved. Looking forward to Monday’s PC.
     
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  2. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    Well, WE don't need to be given any advanced notice, but the media does, to schedule the reporters, camera operators, writers, etc.
     
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  3. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    Fingers crossed! Unsolved crimes like this scare the hell out of me. With the murderer at large, anyone enjoying a hike, bike or horseback ride is a potential victim, no matter where they are. We are left wondering where the perp is? Did he move on, maybe to a forest or state park, perhaps choosing a warmer climate for winter? Has he killed before, or since.
     
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  4. TaylorCallum

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    I really hope this is the breakthrough they need. I'm not sure how optimistic I am though. This case has puzzled and saddened me for a while now. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and the families can finally find some sort of closure.
     
  5. StarryStarryNight

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    I really like some of the possibilities y’all have thrown out there. Here are my thoughts on some of them.
    1) I thought also perhaps they now had a vehicle they know was involved and want to get everyone looking for it. I would like for them to answer questions about it but I could see them declining to do that.
    2) I am intrigued by the suggestions that though they say “no suspects/no arrests” at this time, that that might change on Monday. If that’s the case I would think the guy is either dead or in jail, and both scenarios are swirling around I think.
    3) A link to another case is a very real possibility I think. Though I would hope it would be maybe TB or CE I would think they would answer questions, and revealing that would certainly make them suspects(but then...see #2 above!) More likely a current cold case like Lyric and Elizabeth. I could see no questions there.
    4) A Parabon profile would be significant but I just don’t think they have any DNA. I hope I’m wrong. I also think they would answer questions.
    5) Someone recently found deceased is BG. Things were found with the body that link him without a doubt to the crime. Then we have the killer, not just a suspect. No questions because they are still processing information and out of respect for the families at this time. Full report later.
    6) I do think it’s important ISP is doing the press conference.
    The way they invited the public makes me think it is very positive news. It was almost like they were saying “Come to the press conference! You will so love what we have to say! Balloons and cotton candy for everyone!” Very weird I thought. That being said I am cautious as to what they have. Their idea of what is helpful and important haven’t always meshed with mine. I hope our definitions of “significant” are the same.
     
  6. MntnHiker

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    Won't be able to watch Monday, as I'm working, but will definitely be hopping on here at lunch to get caught up.

    I am so hoping for a break in the case. I was first wondering if they got a new tip. Maybe someone's video footage caught BG walking somewhere nearby that day and there's a better pic of him? But it has been over two years, so why would they just be looking at that footage now?

    Or maybe someone saw a man matching his description getting into a vehicle that day? Maybe even have the vehicle on camera?

    My only thing with either of the above is: 1) Why wait three days instead of holding a presser right away to get people thinking about these tips ASAP? 2) Why not take questions from the public? So that makes me think it is not a tip.

    The not taking questions thing makes me wonder if it is cause of death being released like someone earlier hypothesized.

    Whatever it is, I hope it's the break needed to catch this monster.
     
  7. TTF14

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    1. Holiday weekend, maybe key players are on vacation/spring break.

    2. Maybe an arrest will happen Monday, don't want to compromise the trial.

    RSBM
    MOO
     
  8. kirkassoc

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    I wonder if they may have connected BG's DNA to someone who has died suspiciously since the date of the Delphi murders. LE may have had the results of the DNA from the Delphi scene for quite some time, but it would have taken an even longer time to connect it to other crimes, suicides, etc.

    Just wondering why no questions, and the entirely "new direction" to be announced.
     
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  9. Trudie

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    How awful if there’s no actual news, the agony for Abby & Libby’s fam’, friends, Delphi & everyone else that cares.
    I had hoped the advanced notice might be big news, maybe LE wanted to give family members a ‘minute’ to privately absorb the news, share with distant family, etc.
    I’ll check the local jail, maybe a new inmate stands out, wishful thinking, I know.
     
  10. itsrak

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    Maybe LE thinks they have ID'd the perp, but have no DNA or other proof of guilt, and set up and publicized the press conference simply for the purpose of secretly surveilling this guy to observe his actions as the time of the press conference approaches. See if he does anything suggestive of knowledge/guilt - check into a motel Sunday night, load up on ammo, leave town, etc. A tactical ruse to determine if he is in fact 'their guy'.
     
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  11. Tillicum

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    I'm remembering how the Jessica Heeringa case was solved. Maybe BG attempted to kidnap/murder someone else and they got away from him.
     
  12. Vern

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    IMO, it could also explain the "no arrest will be announced" caveat that has also been put out for Monday's presser. Can't arrest someone who is deceased whether you may be announcing that he may be a POI, a suspect, or the actual perp.

    I really hope that whatever it is that comes out Monday leads to justice for these girls and their families. It's been too long already.
     
  13. gregjrichards

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    Off topic @Tillicum

    I wish law enforcement could find Jessica. Her Mum posted a heartbreaking post yesterday on the Find Jessica Heeringa Facebook page that the whole case was swept under the carpet by law enforcement and Jessica is still alive. Her family believe Willis has been set up, that he is innocent and Jessica has not been murdered.
     
  14. HockeyMom330

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    Can someone please enlighten me as to why some people think there is a connection with the missing/dead guy?
     
  15. JudgeJudi

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    At the moment there are two names out there, Charles Eldridge and MV, the deceased man with the red beard. He lived in Lebanon which is in Boone County.

    D to L.JPG

    Distance between Delphi, IN and Lebanon, IN

    Boone Co. missing person case continues after two-day pond search

    IF, and it's a big IF, he was BG:

    * his proximity to Delphi is perfect (close but not too close) and it's quite possible he was familiar with the Monon Bridge
    * it would explain why there are "no arrests, warrants or suspects"
    * Supt. Carter may announce that they have a possible suspect who can't be named yet as they need to do a bit more investigating (Parabon profile).
     
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  16. book-thinker

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    I agree with you. It doesn't make sense to delay a new conference till Monday if BG is dead.
     
  17. ValhallaWolves

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    Crossing all my crossables for some concrete evidence on Monday or even an arrest.
     
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    Eric Erskin, Williams' grandfather, said on Friday that the families haven't been notified yet regarding information that will be released during Monday's press conference, but he's hopeful that there will soon be resolution in the case.

    "We have faith in the system and confidence in our law enforcement," he said via telephone.

    And when asked whether he believes Monday's conference might be the break investigators need that could lead to a possible arrest, Erskin said the family will just have to wait and see.

    "We pray it is," he said. "We just pray."

    Let Monday be the day.

    Police holding press conference in Delphi case
     
  19. fred&edna

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    While I understand the need for justice, I don't feel a need to see the perp hauled around in shackles for prosecution. Don't get me wrong, I watch lots of trials. But lately I feel as if all the photos and videos of court appearances and/or confessions have become a bit of a "sideshow". If the murderer is dead... Fine with me! As long as LE/prosecutors provide significant proof the dead man was, in fact, the murderer.

    I'm perplexed by the several-day-advance notice of the Mon announcement as it seems news outlets can generally scramble good reporters within hours... particularly on a case like this.

    Currently, I lean towards Eldridge being the perp. He seems to "fit" the look, and the profile, and he is in custody.

    All just my opinions, of course.
     
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  20. Trudie

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    I hope you are right.
     
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