Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #89

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  1. bluebonnie

    bluebonnie Member

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    I heard the emotion in his voice, but "near hysteria" is a OTT way of describing his demeanor
     
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  2. teeandcee

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    I immediately called my mom, who’s read the book. She could think of no connection. It’s gotta be something very personal and probably meant to scare him by how much they know.

    On another note, I’ve been convinced from the beginning the spot they were found in wasnt the primary crime scene. Maybe it was a shack.

    That’s all I got. :(
     
  3. MommyStephV

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    I was also wondering if there was some significance to the "shack" reference, maybe they found evidence in a shack somewhere that only the killer would know, and this was a way for them to convey that without coming out and saying that directly?

    AHHH, this is driving me nuts. There are so many ways to interpret all of this information. I'm not much of a sleuth so the references to the video's that have been found have led me nowhere in my searches. I do truly believe though that they are SO SO close!
     
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  4. teeandcee

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    New video editing technology maybe?
     
  5. strawberry

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    I was wondering also if they blocked something out between "guys" and "down the hill"
     
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    I'm super confused because to me, the composites bear very little resemblance to each other. Wouldn't be completely surprised to find out there was another accomplice involved. Perhaps one was approaching from one side, and the other from the opposite. But who's to say.


    *edit- just saw the above comment saying that the video was analyzed and the new composite is more true to what was filmed. disregard. i just like to throw things at the wall and see what sticks.
     
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    https://www.facebook.com/carrollcountyindianasheriff/
    Not sure if this is what you are looking for
     
  8. Falcon500

    Falcon500 Verified Law Enforcement Detective/L.E. Procedures

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    A Catholic priest is bound to silence under the “seal of confession” That means that anything told to a priest during Confession is not to be repeated by the priest. Sort of like the attorney - client privilege.
     
  9. margarita25

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    Thank you. I was trying to find the words but you conveyed this idea well. Out of all the things he has to say at this very very important PC he takes the time to specifically mention a book...

    This reminded me something really really awful: when they released the photo of the “cross pendant” in Jessica Ridgeway’s case. We found out later only during the court proceedings where they found the cross. :(
     
  10. TexLil

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    If they had the vehicle wouldn't they share the description with the public? MOO
     
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    I thought he was referring to Libby's video.
     
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    Following from England. IMO every word of that release was precious and deliberate. They used just a few minutes to get some key points across. I've never heard of The Shack, but you can bet your bottom dollar that reference was very purposeful and pointed directly at the suspect. It either relates to his upbringing, a clue he left in the shack people have mentioned, or something he has said to someone about the film or book. As for the detective being upset, he has seen that crime scene. Showing his horror and disgust so openly hints at what a monster this person is, and not worthy of protection. On the audio, the way the suspect says "guys...get down the hill" almost sounds resigned to me. In the way someone may say something if left with no choice. It's very peculiar - did they recognise him as he got closer, and they saw it was someone they knew in some kind of disguise?
     
  14. MsArk

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    Or someone accompanying the family.
     
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    My very first thought when I saw the sketch was it looks just like Todd from Community haha

    Seriously though I see both a lot of similarities and a lot of differences in the sketches.

    The eyes and eyebrows are very similar, but in the first one they're wide-set on the face and in the second they're very narrowly set.

    Nose is narrower in the new one but is vaguely similar.

    The mouth is basically identical, but as with the eyes its placement on the face is quite different (very close to the nose and away from the chin in the newer one, about halfway between the two in the older one).

    The ears are basically identical.

    The shape of the face (aside from the chin) doesn't look all that different, the guy in the new sketch is maybe a little thinner.

    The chin, obviously, is extremely different though.
     
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    To clear the air about the sketches, my understanding is that while the original sketch existed LE stated not to focus on it too much. This has always lead me to believe that there may be errors in what they were able to put together for the original sketch. The sketch that released today is the "primary sketch." This is the sketch that LE is using to catch this guy.

    The superintendent made it very clear in the PC that there is only one suspect in this case. There are not two or more. BG = the guy in the new sketch = the guy heard in the audio.
     
  17. Satchie

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    I've spent a lot of time matching people in different photos (who I've never met). You have to look at certain features such as the shape of the upper and lower lips and the eyebrows, these things never change.

    I think the biggest difference between the two is the quality of the sketch itself: the first one is like a portait from life, very detailed and expressive, with elaborate shading to show the face in 3D, the second one is a fairly crude sketch.

    The mouth is identical in both, just frowning in sketch 1, more nuetral in sketch 2. Shape of the high checks is identical, plus eyebrows. Tip of nose is the same but the ridge is sharper in sketch 2.

    When someone shaves, their chin is revealed, and looks very different than when bearded. Similarly, when someone takes off their hat, their forehead is revealed and changes their face. So in sketch 2 the face is somewhat longer because of a long chin and high brow.

    I actually think the individual features are so similar, the new sketch was partly based on the old one. The researchers may have been able to estimate the height of the forehead under the cap, and length of the chin under the beard, from sophisticated analysis of the video.
     
  18. TexLil

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    Maybe Libby had hurriedly placed her phone in a pocket?
     
  19. Trudie

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    I know! And their behavior......yikes.
    After this first happened, I considered former LE. I can’t remember why, lol.
    Maybe because LE said he’d heard the voice? Iirc
     
  20. margarita25

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    Does anybody remember where I saw that shack? I can visualize it in my head...I’m googling “websleuths Abby Libby margarita25 shack” and not seeing anything..
     
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