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Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #100

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  1. JenniD

    JenniD Well-Known Member

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    Just thinking- If the killer left the crime scene and exited towards the cemetery he could have disposed of a weapon or clothing in the flower pots. With it being just before Valentine’s Day there might have been lots of artificial flowers in those holders. Wonder if LE would have lifted up flowers to look
     
  2. wary

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    Richard Speck? Good point.
     
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  3. PaulaDC

    PaulaDC Well-Known Member

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    Ugh. Thread 100. Still hopeful.
     
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    Very chilling and seems like it could easily fit these murders.
     
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  5. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    STOP sleuthing the church, its members and newsletter.

    WS has no control over what info you seek out / sleuth and discuss behind the scenes, but you cannot post about it here.
     
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    StarryStarryNight Well-Known Member

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    I watched a show on Oxygen today about the Piketon Ohio family murders. Certainly those murders are nothing like what happened in Delphi, but a few aspects struck me as similar. Both happened in small towns where the residents were shocked by these crimes. The investigations in both began with rumors of the killer being close to the victims, then it was a revenge killing, then it was drug related, in one meth was the motive, in one marijuana was the motive, etc. There was even a clip from a press conference where LE gave an impassioned speech directed at the killer about “not giving up till we find you!” Two years passed and LE in Delphi said they had determined the killer was local. Two years and LE in Piketon finally arrested four members of a prominent local family. Now Piketon is torn between whether they are guilty or innocent. I wonder if Delphi will split like that when BG is finally caught, especially if he is local.
     
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    It doesn't sound familiar to me
     
  8. pepper 34

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    I agree... I think he was a lone killer. I have a habit of just thinking of any possible scenarios... sometimes realizing what's wrong with one idea or why it can't be so... makes a better scenario come to light.

    Other than bringing along, perhaps... some extra clothing and maybe some rope and a weapon to threaten and kill with... it seems to me there was very little planning on BG's part. Completely opportunistic, imo. The bridge, itself, was the trap and would have trapped anyone he chose that day. It's ready made. No planning necessary... just mosey around trying to look halfway normal and not too creepy until some unfortunate target(s) take the hook... that is cross the bridge when nobody else is across the bridge. That's it. All it would take is some patience which I think doesn't come easy for him under any circumstances.

    I get no sense of his being highly intelligent. He was lucky, as others have said and lucky enough that, if someone was approaching, he knew the area well enough to get out and away to safety by using any number of alternative routes to escape. No need to be intelligent but just a need to know the place like the back of his hand.

    I think there is a woman in his life but it's on again and off again... that's another whole subject but their relationship and how well it's going at any given time will influence whether and when he'll kill again, imo. I think his relationship with this woman going sour is why he killed in the first place. I also think he has a child or two with her.

    I think the crime scene is going to be brutal. A sexual crime that began with feelings of rejection and anger. I think he'll be considered a disorganized killer.
     
  9. janewall

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    Late February or early March, depending on the school. This is called Spring Break, not Winter Break, and often is the week after midterm exams, so the dates depend on how long the school's Winter Break is, and whether the school is on a semester or trimester schedule.
     
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    Below is a recent ISP bulletin. According to it the girls were murdered within minutes of Libby’s video of the man on the bridge.

    “This is the face of the suspect that goes with body of the video captured on Liberty German's cell phone minutes before she and Abigail Williams were murdered”
    New 'Face' of the Delphi Murder Suspect
     
  11. cjack410

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    So he killed the girls at the bridge and carried them the length of 8 football fields and placed them? He attacked them in broad daylight on the bridge?

    They were found 1/2 to 3/4 mile from the bridge.....a 1/2 mile takes a person approx 16 minutes to walk alone.
     
  12. cjack410

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    I guess "minutes" could mean 20 or 30 minutes....thanks for sending MistyWaters
     
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    My theory is the girls fled to where they were found murdered.
     
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    Its been disclosed where the bodies were found, where and approximately when the killer approached them, and when the killer likely left the area. Everything else is conjecture and speculation. More details than that such as where and how the crime specifically took place is information LE has intentionally kept vague in order to keep the timeline and manner of the crimes known only to them and the killer.

    All we definitely know is that they were approached at the SE end of the bridge sometime after 2:07pm and that family members couldn't contact them after that. LE thinks the suspect vehicle left before 5pm. Its assumed the attack took place shortly after the BG video was taken but precisely when and where and for how long the killer was with them hasn't been released.
     
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    I don’t think “minutes”is meant to be a matter of a few minutes...also don’t think time of death can be narrowed down within minutes? “Minutes” can be up to sixty.
     
  16. pepper 34

    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    It's just 0.10 of a mile from the south end of the bridge to where their bodies were found.
     

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    Corrrect, thanks for sharing.

    I figure max 550 feet from the SE end of the bridge. A short walk to the the creek, then across it to the CS.

    Some people make it seem like this was a hike in the Sierra Nevada, but it's just a gorge with a creek in it. Very short distances involved, really.

    JMO
     
  18. peel

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    thats a good theory but wouldn't somebody have seen two girls running and probably screaming?...


    we have to ask ourselves and maybe the cops have asked themselves this too....what one lie/falsehood altered the whole timing/direction of the initial investigation?

    and what made them do a double take...
     
  19. MistyWaters

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    LE has always said there’s more audio that hasn’t been released. As Libby recorded “down the hill” they also know what follows it even though we don’t.
     
  20. ZoriahNZ

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    Doubtful the killer would park it there again on May 1st though (the date of the video).
     
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