Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #102

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  1. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    More than 3,000 tips since new sketch, footage in Delphi case
    ISP encourage tips 'no matter how insignificant'
    May 13, 2019

    “More than 3,000 tips have been given to investigators about a 2017 Delphi double homicide after never-before-seen video footage and a new sketch were released in late April.

    Since a news briefing on April 22, a multi-agency task force has received more than 2,600 emails, 506 calls to the tip line and an additional 145 calls and/or walk-ins to local police departments and state police posts across Indiana, the Indiana State Police announced Monday.“
     


  2. Krwiley60

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    What I wonder is with all the energy, excitement, drama and hope with the PC, why would they go on GMA to say we have nothing? Another strategy? I’m baffled.
     
  3. susiQ

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    First I want to say, I had quite an "awakening" today, and so much of what I strongly believed, I don't anymore. Other things I still feel are probable, such as BG living in the area and being very familiar with the terrain, not living directly in Delphi, but not too far away. I no longer believe they know or even have a suspicion of who did it. JMO

    Another poster brought something up today that made me consider another possibility as well and I wonder if LE have even considered it, or if a tip has come in since the new sketch was released, being of course, the very first sketch produced 3 days after the murders. What if the killer is dead? If someone looks at that sketch and has an AH HAA moment and submits a tip, how would LE go about investigating it if it is solely based on the sketch. How do they achieve probable cause to get a SW for cell data or DNA?
     
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    I’m behind and catching up but my guess would be to get as much exposure and publicity about this case as they can get. That’s a lot of new potential viewers. I haven’t seen the GMA segment yet; thanks to those who provided updates.


    ETA:
    “Through August 19 -- broadcast season-to-date -- ABC' s “Good Morning America” claims top numbers when it comes to overall viewers -- but just barely with an average Nielsen 3.780 million viewers. This is just ahead of NBC's “Today,” which has 3.778 million. “CBS This Morning” comes in at 2.8 million viewers.”

    'Today,' 'GMA' In Tight Race For Viewers
    Aug 24, 2018
     
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  6. susiQ

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    Yes, that is the question, isn't it? Why was it never released, put aside in favour of a sketch involving a few people 5 months later. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
     
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    I don’t quite understand it either. This same message was also expressed regarding the lack of a tip from somebody who knows sketch #1. If the suspect was indeed older he could be an abuser of a woman too scared to speak out or someone supporting a dependent senior, something like that, but the younger the suspect the less chance somebody is afraid to come forward.

    But there is one possibility I can think of where fear could be involved - the suspect is a gang member and the murders were motiveless aside from a maniacal dare in order to prove himself and elevate his standing in the organization.
     
  8. Jaclin

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    MOO If it was a cop, it would have been a dirty cop that was worried the girls caught him doing something illegal. That might have also been the motive for a non-cop. It's not necessarily someone with blood lust. I guess the COD, any abuse, and placements of the bodies might show differently, but we wouldn't know that evidence.
    I wonder if any homes in that area had cameras that would have observed a car, or even someone on foot or bike, not belonging to someone inside that area, coming and going during those times. I wonder if anyone else that went to those trails that day could have inadvertently caught the guy on their camera. I feel like they know someone was parking at the building that day and this person is the only one who hasn't come in and said they were there that day. They can't clear this person because they don't know who this person is. Was this person the unsub, or is this person just someone who doesn't live in Indiana even and doesn't even remember what town they were in when they decided to take a nap or stretch their legs. Maybe he didn't even drive. Maybe he is a hitchhiker or has a dirt bike. I also think too much is being made out of "guys". There aren't that many ways to say "you plural" in our language. Options are "girls", "guys", "yall", "you guys", "you two", "people". Honestly, "guys" is the most colloquial of all of them. It's the tone that seems odd for someone possibly getting ready to pull a gun. It sounds very casual, but that could be because the recording became muffled inside the girls coat.
     
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    I keep wondering if maybe the sketch got misfiled and just recently turned up while going through files for another case, or someone cleaned their desk. Those are the only reasons I can think of unless someone recognized the sketch and dismissed it due to that person having another reason to be there.
     
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    RSBM

    I agree with most of what you said here, but have to disagree with your last paragraph (and with the op post you reference re the perp being desperate). A person can be reckless, foolish, and/or a risk-taker, etc. without being desperate.

    Perhaps he is fatalistic, nihilistic, or again, just reckless. "Desperation" conjures up a picture of someone who seems hunted, like a caged animal, to me. He may not be that. He may be cavalier, arrogant, detached. It would seem not, but who knows.

    Now that I've typed this it suddenly seems to me a terribly inconsequential distinction. I just felt the need to point it out since all these words and descriptions create their own particular "sketch," if you will, and of course the more precise and accurate the better.

    This is all MOO and could be all wrong!
     
  11. MistyWaters

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    By watching those videos, I can understand why a thorough grid search could never have been conducted in every direction, under the bridge, around and away from the trails during the middle of the night....not to mention the risk of accident to the searchers, including probably going all night with no sleep and then searching again in daylight.

    “By 5 p.m. a full-blown search party was combing the woods. The whole time, the families thought their girls were just hurt, cold and lost.

    “Somebody has fallen and gotten hurt. They have a terrible sense of direction. Something has happened we just did not know what,” said Abby’s mom, Anna Williams....”
    Delphi families take CBS4 through Abby and Libby’s last hours
     
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    Being a pathetic coward, who has been hunted for 2 years now and certainly is afraid of "loss of honor" and of course afraid of going to prison for the rest of his life, he has probably become even more dangerous than he ever was. IMO
     
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    I found some additional information pertaining to the girl's discovery (contained in the media thread), while our Mods were reviewing posts:

    2 bodies found positively ID'd as missing teens

    Two bodies were found by volunteers on Tuesday less than a mile from where the girls were originally dropped off. The bodies were found on private property, about 50 feet from the shore of Deer Creek. Sources tell Call 6 Investigates that a set of footprints are what led volunteers to the area the bodies were found.

    And the following information about who/and again how discovery was made:

    The Delphi Murders — Unresolved

    The search crews gathered near the Monon High Bridge at around 10:00 AM, hoping to expand outwards in separate directions and cover a good plot of land during daylight hours.

    This search only last a couple of hours, however, as a discovery was made by the Delphi Fire Department shortly after noon. At around 12:45 PM, officials with the fire department had followed a set of footprints to a location roughly 50 feet away from the north bank of Deer Creek - roughly half-a-mile east of the bridge. The Delphi Fire Chief reported the discovery as "not good," and indicated that it was the missing girls' bodies.
     
  14. MistyWaters

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    Well if any good came from it, I suppose somebody who has that “one tip” LE is waiting for isn’t sitting back thinking why bother because LE already knows who he is. That’s my best (and only) semi-optimistic guess.
     
  15. Jaclin

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    I don't think it means anything. MOO No police department wants to be responsible for causing a panic.
     
  16. susiQ

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    I have a hard time believing they could be that sloppy in such a huge investigation. If they didn't believe the witness was credible why even bother calling in a sketch artist?
    Another thought on that. Is it just me, but the OBG sketch appears to be a much more detailed sketch and of superior skill. Almost too good compared to the other :) Too bad they didn't have that artist do the first one. JMO
     
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    :p
     
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    Yup, and that witness/those witnesses will likely take their knowledge of this heinous crime to their graves with them. Are they likely worried sick that, to offer the information that they do have to LE, it would mean an instant loss of job/income, as well as respect in a very small community (where they have likely lived a long-ish time, to establish such a "good name")? Guessing the answer to that question would be a shaking, upset, nervous "Yes".

    Might they also be worried for their own lives, were they to actually reveal the "missing puzzle pieces" (known only to them)? Yes, absolutely. Their lives have changed dramatically since Feb. 13, 2017 -- but they have been doing their best at trying to just "carry on" as if nothing earth-shaking had just unglued their world(s).

    Maybe someone in the Delphi area/general small towns nearby Delphi could make a list of the various families/couples they know in the area, and ponder whether or not they've seen/noticed key changes in someone/several individuals who may be the suspect's parents or grandparents.

    Another indication of a dramatic event may be the appearance of depression or of a new need to spend time alone or away/removed from people (a very tough thing to accomplish when working in a people-type occupation -- MOO). Thinking in particular right now not so much of the suspect, but of his family member(s) with whom he may live (or at least with whom he may "check in" from time to time).

    Who knows? Maybe the suspect's parents/grandparents themselves needed a "quick fishing trip" to be away, and to "get out of Dodge" due to the "heat" of having to field many questions (and not at all "easy" questions, either).
     
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    Some where and I may be mistaken but I think a LE said ‘he will kill again if not caught’. That’s scary enough
     
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