Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #102

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  1. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they ever thought it was not a big deal. It is understandable that at first they thought the girls were injured or lost. Most people don't immediately assume their kids have been murdered, especially in a small town where murder is not common.
    We don't really know what was going on in the parents minds, but I have never had any indication that they were not extremely worried or even frantic trying to find them.
    LE probably did not assume something horrible had happened to them either, but if I remember correctly they started searching soon after the girls were reported missing. Imo
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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  4. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they seem to be 100% sure that someone knows who this guy is and are counting on that person to come forward.
    That may be the only hope they have of solving this crime. Maybe they don't have sufficient DNA evidence at all. Imo
     
  5. SeattleStew

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    One set of footprints makes me think it was the killer's after the murders footprints away from where the girls were found. I guess LE may know whether or not the footprints indicated which direction the person who made them was traveling but it makes sense to me that the footprints were traveling away from the scene.
     
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    Police were asked if people in the community should be afraid.
    Police Chief Mullin replied, “I think people are smart enough in our community to draw their own conclusions about what they should feel and shouldn’t feel. Our people are very smart. They are a very good community and they are very strong. And they are able to draw their own conclusions about this whole situation I think quite successfully.”

    The reporter clarified that he asked the question because some may be concerned when they hear the words “foul play suspected” that there may be somebody “preying on people that they need to be afraid of.”

    Mullin said he “understands” what he is saying, and again responded, “I think people are able to draw their own conclusions about this situation, and they’re smart enough to figure out what this situation warrants them to think. That’s all we have to say about that.”

    Abigail Williams & Liberty German: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

    I find his words more than a little bizarre. He knew the girls had been brutally murdered in broad daylight but at that point the public only knew that foul play was suspected. I get that he didn’t want to frighten the public, but surely a warning to all parents should have been given.
     
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    My premonitions have changed so many times since Feb 2017. Based on everything I have “digested”, I currently believe the following:

    1. A close family member (his mother etc) or girlfriend/wife to BG/murderer knows it is HIM. 100%.
    2. They are not turning him in for a few possible reasons. (He would hurt them, he does hurt them, he is the person who has the income/holds the house together/pays the bills. And this would be extremely plausible if they are victimized by him. Or they are all possibly mentally challenged/or just the loved ones.
    3. At one time I worked for social services. Most People do not want outsiders interfering in their lives even if their lives are dysfunctional. They don’t want the help or in this case the reward money. Mentally challenged individuals especially can not handle disruptions to their routine, again even if the routine is dysfunctional.
    4. They released (UNVEILED) the most accurate photo because they were holding on to it because it is about all that they have to identify him.
    5. He may not work. He may be on some government disability etc.... therefore, the only people someone like him may see are the nucleus family members and very occasionally Social Service workers. HE may not even go to grocery stores. This is VERY possible. I can say this with assurance as I have worked in this field and many rural folks are not seen much. They like it that way, they keep it that way....... All my opinion
     
  8. MistyWaters

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    I don’t think one person would be capable of carrying the bodies of both girls, especially across the river.

    I’ve only noticed one MSM source involving footprints, this:

    “Sources tell Call 6 Investigates that a set of footprints are what led volunteers to the area the bodies were found...”
    2 bodies found positively ID'd as missing teens

    First, is the anonymous source reliable? Not always but if it is, it doesn’t directly say anyone followed footprints from any great distance. IMO it’d be virtually impossible that footprints would be noticeable on the grassy, leaf strewn, natural outdoor area. But footprints are often left near riverbanks. So it could be a set of footprints was noticed there, which then led searchers to the discovery of the bodies only 50 feet away.

    If true, one set of footprints could support a scenario where the girls blindly fled in panic across the river, the murderer chasing them but falling behind considering both girls were athletic. The single set of footprints could be where the murderer stopped to get the best sightline, stood in sand/mud as he aimed and fired at them, never crossing the river. I know this isn’t a popular theory but as theories go, it does happen to fit if the source was correct. JMO
     
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    Very interesting interview. Intriguing how he says that the suspect may be a mix of the two sketches.
     
  10. BNA

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    I am kind of agreeing with those that think that the tip is going to have to come from somebody connected to the perp by employment situation....fear of losing livelihood, etc.

    A co-worker who lent his car out. Something like that.
     
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  12. zencompass

    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    <modsnip: quoted post was removed>

    I especially appreciate each other's insight on the evidence we have been given.

    It is fascinating how much we learn from others' takes on the information L.E. have provided.

    Most importantly, the deep compassion towards these young girls and their dear families flows throughout the posts in these threads.
     
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    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    Thank you for sharing this interview with us!

    I especially liked what Carter said around 3:23 timemark of the video about the L.E. not releasing more video because it gave them knowledge of something. I can't wait to hear what that knowledge was.

    May this week be the week!
     
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    I just listened to a podcast by Dark Poutine episode about the murder of Taylor Von Diest. The police give an amazing description of how a perp might act the day or days after a murder. I think those in charge of this case could do to issue a similar statement. Its extremely detailed and the general public would be much more aware of what they are looking for.
     
  16. MistyWaters

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    Well, he says “but remember, a sketch is not a photograph, it’s something similar to a resemblance....”.

    So I think he’s just emphasizing the fact that sketches created through the memory of a witness are rarely 100% accurate.
     
  17. MistyWaters

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    Early on the change in behaviours and what to watch out for were talked about in this case as well, iirc hosted by the FBI. Locals who posted here have also mentioned LE initially hosted town hall meetings for them as well. Although the media didn’t report on the content, that led me to believe that’s a good example of LE interaction within the community that cannot be gleaned by reading media reports.

    Nor were local people solely reliant on following MSM in order to obtain information.
     
  18. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Huh? So OBG may not be completely redundant.
     
  19. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    In his opinion, if I understood correctly.
     
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    “"It almost looks like he's going at a faster pace than I go when I go across the bridge," says McCain, studying the police-issued photos of the Delphi murder suspect.

    McCain knows the high bridge trail and its wide-spaced railroad ties. "That's probably why his head is down, but he's going faster, perhaps," McCain said.“
     
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