Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #102

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  1. Rocky1

    Rocky1 Well-Known Member

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    That could be, but, to me anyway, Libby's sister didn't know Libby was going to the bridge until a half hour or less before they went either. That wouldn't give the guy much time to get there IMO.
     
  2. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    There is specific information that can be gleamed by investigators even from personal devices, much of that information is encrypted but they do have capabilities to uncover specific details related to such devices even over public wifi.

    Additionally Said public posts would be available to investigators as well as the public as a whole. We have heard of no such posts and I don't believe they ever existed. I have no doubt this information would have made its way to news media very early on if ever existed via locals pointing it out to reporters etc.

    As far as a private message that someone may have seen bc of looking at another individuals device, Well I'm sure any of those individuals would have been questioned extensively early on if such pm ever existed.

    with all that said anything is possible at this point, maybe Investigators overlooked something or someone.

    I just think its more likely than not that information never even existed

    JMO
     
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  3. Theforeigner

    Theforeigner Well-Known Member

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    My theory:
    If the police really KNOW that the killer lived in or was closely connected to Delphi;

    Then I strongly believe that:
    The killers motive was to silence one of the girls.
    That one of the girls had knowledge about the killer that could destroy his life.
    That the girl had threatened to tell.
    The killer knew the girl would be at the trail/park like overheard someone close to he girl.
    The killer used MO that made it look like a different kind of murder than it actually was.
    The killer participated in the search, and maybe was part of the group at the crime scene.

    I just don't believe that a person connected to that small community would choose to commit a sick and sadistic fantasy driven violent sexual double murder in his own small town were people know him.
     
  4. kc1023

    kc1023 Well-Known Member

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    HLN ticker a moment ago:

    COPS: WE'RE CLOSE TO FINDING TEENS' KILLER

    and they were showing clips of the WishTv interview yest

    (no link, live TV)
     
  5. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Police have information on Delphi murders but not releasing it yet

    This link from within your link mentions the autopsy had been done but that they would not release COD until toxicology reports were back. I have not seen that ever mentioned before. If the girls deaths were brutal, as reported, why would toxicology be required? Or is that just standard?
     
  6. Crazy4having3

    Crazy4having3 Active Member

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    The thing that makes me believe that they didn't know this person is the cellphone recording that has been discussed where they mention the "creepy guy". If they knew him, wouldn't they use his name? Of course, none of us have heard this footage so there may be more to it than we even know. MOO.
     
  7. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Well, not necessarily a fake profile. I googled - one may use a friend’s phone; he needs the same phone for verification, but it is easy. Probably the friend went out.

    You can make fake snaps, too.

    https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-send-a-fake-Snap

    As to other accounts, such as FB..,OMG, I can tell you how many fake accounts I saw.

    The problem is, the girls might have befriended the person and forgot about him.
     
  8. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    That’s what “sick and sadistic fantasy driven violent sexual” predators do; they hunt close to home, atleast early on.

    This is the logic that has hampered investigations in the not so distant past, “someone from here, couldn’t do this.”

    People don’t kill two teenage girls, because one of them saw something. That doesn’t happen with any regularity.

    That’s movie type stuff.

    What does happen with some frequency, is sexually motivated murder.

    I think that’s far more likely here.
     
  9. TL4S

    TL4S Dumbified Clown

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    If this is May 7th, but then no mention of the car during the last interview, maybe somewhere in between they found their answer? Wouldn't that be great?
     
  10. Rocky1

    Rocky1 Well-Known Member

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    All good questions.
    IMO, and nothing to base this on, he had no way of knowing they'd be there. That's why I think it was random.
    Do we have knowledge he works/worked in the area?
    I would hope by now that LE has combed through all that by now, ie, time cards, absentees, changes in personalities combined with photos. etc.
    Someone mentioned he may be a truck driver? there's only a few small truck stops in the area, and would they have cams? Would said truck driver be at a business delivering product, then walk away from his truck for a few hours leaving it back up to a loading dock abandoned? Maybe so, but I doubt it.
     
  11. Charlot123

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    Toxicology is. But longest I heard of, six months? Not two years? And their was probably prioritized.
     
  12. dub

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    My suspicion--not necessarily related to the car, but in reference to having previously interviewed BG--is that someone alerted LE to BG, but did so with a random SM-driven or malicious tip. In other words, someone fingered the right guy for the wrong reason.

    If that's the case, then when LE interviewed the guy, they probably didn't go about it too thoroughly because it resembled on the surface all of the sketchy BS tips they were receiving. I'd guess that this tip came in at least a few months after the murders--after the release of the OBG sketch, most likely around the time that DN was being investigated.
     
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    Deleted by me, duplicate.
     
  14. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    At one time it was because early on it was possible to see Libby's Instagram posts. It may still be available. I remember posters posting condolences.
     
  15. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    That’s certainly possible, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

    It’s a small town, and I’m sure that hundreds of people have been interviewed, both formally and informally.

    Just playing the odds, it’s likely that someone in his circle has spoken with law enforcement, if he himself has not.
     
  16. Jerrod

    Jerrod Well-Known Member

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    August 14th, 2017 (6 months after the murders):

    “We are getting closer every day. I know that is cliché but we are. We are stronger than ever and we are getting more people involved, so I think that the time is coming,” said Sgt. Holeman.

    Also:

    "Sgt. Holeman tells us several people have come forward and said they saw the killer walking on the trails the day Abby and Libby were killed. Those people helped develop a composite sketch that was released last month."

    Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence
     
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  17. BNA

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    My perception of the "guys" on the recording is that is was said as a greeting/acknowledgement, maybe with a nod of the head. The stuff we had heard earlier seems to be in said in a different tone...maybe at a different time.
     
  18. enelram

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    "it's likely someone in his circle has spoken with law enforcement."
    Shazam!
    See my earlier comment today about the ploy to get the 'driver'
    of the car to come forward because the new sketch LE put out
    is really the driver- who has more intimate knowledge of crime
    or perp.
    Locals took the bait and turned in tips to ID this driver (new BG
    sketch) who has now talked to LE.
    Thus LE is no longer looking for the car or driver.
    their trap worked.
    moo
     
  19. Boxer

    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    The police statement was worded in a way that did not exclude more crime recording.
    Mostly the girls talking seems to me
    to mean they were videoing things and themselves things along their walk. Really too sad to even think about.
     
  20. MistyWaters

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    I don’t ever recall the media reporting that Libby had a Facebook acct, yet according to LE she did. I posted the link a couple days ago but I’ll look for it again.
     
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