Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #102

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  1. Crazy4having3

    Crazy4having3 Active Member

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    Good point
     


  2. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    There’s no way of knowing. Typical behavior is to make up an excuse in order to leave town, following a crime like this (we see that mentioned in a lot of profiles).

    If he did feel they were getting close, he may do so again (especially if he did initially).

    Some of these guys just stick around.
     
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  3. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    Agreed its not totally dissimilar to how many people are obsessed with knowing what a neighbor, relative, etc knows about something personal about them. The reasoning may be dissimilar, but the extreme sense of urgency is very similar in some instances.

    Its the unkown things that could jeopardize the perps freedom that would make him desperate to know what investigators know

    JMO
     
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  4. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    True. People say the reaction to fear is fight or flight, but I say it’s actually fight, flight, or freeze (full compliance). Only 3 people know what went down that day and there is a task force of people who probably have a pretty good idea. None of us on here knows what happened and we are all Monday morning quarterbacking based on life experiences, logic/reasoning and maybe a little emotion which is why there are so many different theories and a lot of speculation. I think that it’s a good thing to explore all of the different view points - it prevents tunnel vision.

    I hope I’m not coming off as questioning the girls actions or inactions - I don’t know what they were. I’m also hope it doesn’t appear that I’m saying what they should’ve done - that would be pointless. Based on the few facts provided to the public, life experience, what I’ve read on here, and interviews from family regarding the type of girls Libby and Abby were I find myself questioning the theory of abduction at gun point and total compliance - definitely open minded though.
     
  5. Cutiekitty

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    Probably sedan or hatch back too (if it’s a car).

    Edit: they’ll probably have them look at pics of cars to help narrow things down too. I don’t know cars at all and that would be helpful for me.
     
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    I understand the many reasons why LE is withholding info but I do think they should consider releasing more (if they have it that is not horrific to hear) than that small bit of video and audio that they have released.

    My thoughts are is that the 2 or 3 steps are not enough to pick up his mannerisms or way he carries his body and the audio is not his day to day speaking voice.
     
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    Maybe by parking there..it would be a quick way out....and so the police are just guessing...and asking if anyone saw any car there between those hours to let them know. That way it would just be another possible way to find the killer.
     
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    I think those are the people who composed collectively the description of that first sketch released, it,was a composite. The new one, the single witness, obviously saw BG looking much different. Maybe he'd shed his outer wear and hat/scarf?
     
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  9. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Misty, I just spent time looking back at thread 1 first 10 pages and there are Facebook links for both girls (actually two for Libby ) but none now appear to work. However, it could be that they are no longer public or because I am not a FB member, but clearly they did have them. I'll see if I can post a link to the actual page (s).

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    Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 13, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #1

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    Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 13, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #1
     
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  10. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Here’s one of Libby’s, and Abby’s:

    https://m.facebook.com/liberty.german?tsid=0.4559610200568267&source=result

    https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010623611166&pn_ref=friends_search
     
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  11. Cutiekitty

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    I’ve been wondering about that too. Not the person previously eluded to, but someone in jail. They said BG might have shown violence after the crime. Maybe he was locked up for a domestic.

    Also working through the possibility of a jail house snitch being the witness they’ve been talking about. It’s assumed they are referring to a witness from the time of the incident, but maybe that’s not the case and someone wants some time knocked off their sentence. This is all based on nothing and purely something I was thinking about.
     
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    Hate to admit it, but that was my first thought based on how DC was acting. I don’t want that to be the case at all though.
     
  13. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Thanks very much! Unfortunately I’m unable to read FB as I’m a non FB member. Abby had a FB acct also, I notice. Libby had at least two FB accts?
     
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    Reading your suspect list just made coke come out of my nose. I feel bad finding humor of a forum like this, but you made me laugh.

    Edit: Coca Cola not cocaine.
     
  16. Theforeigner

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    My theory; Child sexual abuse
     
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    MOO reaction is about the particular situation, .it all depends how close the handgun is. Your instincts deliver instant risk calculation.
    Basically he sucker punched them, using common courtesy as getting close was his main weapon.

    When a handgun is too close and aimed at you, your instincts to tell you the aggressor probably can't miss and running won't work. With more distance there more impulse to run and take a risk to dodge and hide behind obstructions.

    By surprising with sprint I think he was able to get a hold of Abby on the bridge, and then by having control of her, had control of both.
     
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  19. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    It’s counting down time once it gets all blacked out it switches to a new story/photo. If you don’t screen shot what you are looking at it disappears and you can’t go back to it.
     
  20. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    The emotion is normal and understandable. As I've said, he's heard them die. He heard their last moments. He saw their bodies. He's met many times with their loved ones and stared into their eyes.

    I remember how emotional Chief Tim Longo was during the Hannah Graham case.

    This becomes personal to them.

    Odd? They're kids. I don't care about their size. That's irrelevant.

    Many females in general don't fight back. For various reasons. And these were kids. Kids taught to obey authority as most kids are.

    It would be relatively easy to control, assault and kill kids this age without detection, IMO.

    From a site about sexual assault about "fighting back":

    If a victim does not say "no" or does not "fight back," it is not sexual assault.
    False. Sexual assault victims may not say "no" or not fight back for a variety of reasons including fear and confusion. Rape victims often report being "frozen" by fear during the assault, making them unable to fight back (this is known as “tonic immobility”); other victims may not actively resist for fear of angering the assailant and causing him to use more force in the assault. Pressure to be liked and not be talked about negatively by a peer will sometimes cause adolescents or children to avoid fighting back or actively resisting.

    California Megans Law

    BBM.
     
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