IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. Blueberry2720

    Blueberry2720 Today would be a fine day for an arrest.

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    Would all religious organizations fall under this mandate too? And if so, why are priests exempt?
     
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  2. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Someone dressed in ski gear around Delphi would definitely stand out and be memorable. As is, his clothing is not out of place since it's plain and standard enough to have been purchased from a variety of stores and worn by a range of ages.
     
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  3. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Great question.

    From my perspective, it might boil down to mandatory reporting. The policemen are mandatory reporters. So if there is enough data to confirm is, they should.

    Now interestingly, about the clergy. They are, too, mandatory reporters in the US.

    https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/clergymandated.pdf

    This seems to be in discord with the privacy of confession, but not reporting means potentially opening themselves to lawsuits, should something ever happen to a kid.

    How is this dichotomy, privacy of confession, and being legal mandatory reporters, is resolved within the clergy?
     
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  4. Alisajo

    Alisajo Well-Known Member

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    The girls mentioned BG was weird, I think they were concerned for his saftey on that bridge not knowing he had an ulterior motive. I think Libby would have called 911 if they felt danger rather than take a photo. These girls were probably concerned citizens. R.I.P Libby & Abby
     
  5. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Not all priests ARE exempt. It's the Catholic church that has a real issue with this and they're talking about making Catholic priests mandated. Methodist, Christian, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc. all fall under mandated reporters in various states. It's not the same all across the nation. 26 states now require members of the clergy to report and they're knowledge of abuse is no longer considered privileged nor confidential. Indiana is not currently one of those states but that could soon change.

    It's a PDF but this talks about it more and it's an official doc.

    https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/clergymandated.pdf
     
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    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget the Radar Online interview with the Carroll County sheriff. Sounds like they were having the FBI do the family DNA search. The previous article I posted this thread was mostly about the gal who taught the FBI analysts those techniques in analyzing data into old family trees and working forward. She was the one who finally found April Tinsley's killer. I'm very hopeful by what the sheriff said in the January RO interview. I also think there's a correlation to his interview and then 3 months later ISP Carter's words at the PC.,the "different investigative strategy" and the search for witnesses to the no-model, no-year, no-color car being parked in the lot by the murders scene. AJMO
     
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  7. Imvp2

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    In my opinion and going back to conversations with my kids close their ages, you think you're kind of immortal No horrific crime will happen to you hence no 911 call. But they both sensed something weird about BG so Libby recorded him.
     
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  8. GoBuckeyes

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    I thought it was odd, too!
     
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    steeltowngirl Well-Known Member

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    It may have been from a YouTube version posted in thread #90 by pepper34. Song is “Big Poppa”

     
  10. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that was a little strange. I think that was just his way of saying that even without paying attention to his face someone who knows him well will recognize him by his demeanor. The way he hunches his shoulders, carries himself, looking down with his hands in his pockets and the specific way he walks should be immediately familiar to those who have known him most of his life. Imo
     
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    That gal is CeCe Moore. A very interesting person.

    CeCe Moore - Wikipedia
     
  12. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    SBM

    If they were to release all of those things then what, exactly, would be left for them to hold onto?

    There's a chance that releasing some of this information would help but, IMO, an even bigger chance that it would lead to more chaos, including false confessions. I may have hesitation in trusting one of the law enforcement offices but considering that there are now three working the case, I choose to put my trust and confidence in them.

    There was a case a couple of years ago here where I live. A guy, Alex, was on the phone with his girlfriend. There was a knock on the door, he told her he'd call her back, and that was the last time anyone saw him. Someone called 911 that evening and said that it appeared that 2 men were beating up another man inside a car in his apartment lot. Alex had disappeared. The whole area searched for him. He was a likable dude and it felt like everyone in Lexington knew him. Almost right from the beginning the public was bemoaning the "lack of evidence" and calling it a "cold case" before a month even went by. LE released nothing so it was assumed that they had nothing in which to release. When his body was uncovered from a barrel in the river, the public was sure that he'd never see justice. They angrily demanded that LE release what they had so that the public could help. LE refused. Then, suddenly, two men were being arrested-one at the Mexican border. Turns out they'd known who had abducted him all along. Apparently, while on the phone with his girlfriend, when he'd heard the knock on the door he'd actually told her, "Hey, X and Y are here." LE kept that information out of the press because A) they were concerned about his girlfriend's safety and B) they were investigating the 2 dudes and they didn't want to tip them off and make them run (which one ultimately did anyway).

    Point being, the way things look to us, the public, is sometimes vastly different than how they appear to LE. They have the whole picture and we do not. While I don't believe they have a specific person in mind, with them having far more pieces of the puzzle than us I still have confidence that between the 3 enforcement agencies they'll be able to move forward. It could take years, but I think it will happen.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I think so, too. I don't need to see my husband's face to know it's him. I can tell it's him from behind or from the other side of the room. You get used to the way your loved ones carry themselves.
     
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    From perusing videoclips in another case I came across trail-riding with off-road motorcycles as an activity in the area.

    A motorcycle is a very quick and efficient way to get around, and if someone has interpreted those white loops as a pair of goggles or a muffler that would be what some cycle riders wear.

    I haven’t ever heard a motorcycle or mc tracks mentioned at all though
     
  15. kkdj

    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    This is so true. People have their own way of carrying themselves. I can and have spotted people I know well in the middle of a large crowd just because of how they carry themselves. I don't need to see their face.
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I'm going to check mine but I think it is usually part of the file name. Date and time IIRC. Probably already answered - just catching up.

    ETA mine is in following format

    YYYYMMDD_HHMMSS.MP4
     
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    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    Date and time I believe.
     
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  18. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Just edited my previous post. So they will have the exact time of the commencement of the crime. This should enable LE to place witnesses on the trail based on their accounts etc. Maybe they have caught some witnesses lying and hence the reason for going back to the 1st sketch. AJMO
     
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    I heard that but then someone said they heard, Libby he has a gun, and now I can hear that also. It depends on which I am listening for.
     
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    I’ve listened on the loop and can hear no music or girls talking

    Had to switch it off it’s driving me crazy

    To me he sounds authoritative, used to kids and there’s a familiarity I can’t put my finger on, almost like he knows they know him. And he sounds fairly young to me. 30’s/20’s

    Just my thoughts. Wonder if LE have a bit more audio they aren’t releasing

    I Really think they knew him
     
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