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IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. Angelcat13

    Angelcat13 Well-Known Member

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    I agree 100% and said this to my husband in the very beginning. I don’t want to criticize LE because I truly believe they were (and are) doing everything they can to find the killer. It is easy for us to look back and second guess their decisions but we don’t know what they knew at that time (or now).

    We are also looking at it without all of the other things LE has to deal with on a daily basis - having seen and heard things they cannot erase from their memories, feeling the grief of the families and being unable to make it any better, feeling and hearing the criticisms and accusations of people in the community and around the world, desperately hoping to be able to arrest this person AND SECURE A CONVICTION - especially before he can strike again.

    And they have had to do this every minute of every day since February 13, 2017. And they still have other cases and aspects of their jobs, families of their own, etc. I bet every one of them feels their lives have been put on hold since that day.
     
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    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Makes sense, thanks very much for clarifying!
     
  3. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    I am trying to imagine what I'd do it the mannerisms were similar to, say, a colleague or a neighbor with stellar reputation, or a teacher in my kid's school. But I had zero proof.

    I'd be concerned, but I'd also consider moving, or changing a job. If our kids attended the same school, I'd pull my kid out. Sometimes it is what other people around that person start doing that gives you a better clue.
     
  4. HockeyMom330

    HockeyMom330 Well-Known Member

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    BBM

    I've always seen his legs as being long and thin, at least in comparison to his torso. Back when we only had the 2 still shots of BG on the bridge to look at I always though one made him look youthful and clean shaven while the other made him look older and with facial hair. Anyways, what I've been wondering about in terms of accuracy is the height/weight range given on the FBI poster. Was this scientifically obtained by comparing measurements/angles/shadows of known landmarks (such as trees in the backgroud) or was this based on witness account? I find it interesting that even though the OBG and NBG sketch has changed so dramatically, and so has the age range, BG's hair colour and height/weight has never wavered or been updated.

    The height range given for BG is 5ft 6" - 5ft 10" which would make him shorter than the average grown male. With those long, thin legs I have a hard time believing that he is not more in the 5ft 10" - 6ft 2" range. Do you think his height has been underestimated because he was hunched over and has his head tilted down? Could he really be much taller?
     
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    JSolt1210 Well-Known Member

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    At this point, the four notes or words allegedly heard in between might as well be:

    "Guys... [my baby goat's] down the hill..."

    Or,

    "Guys... [my puppy is] down the hill..."

    I honestly don't hear anything except muffled noise, like rustling leaves or the phone mic brushing up against clothes.
     
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    Thank you for the answer. I have learned so much from following this and other cases.
     
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  8. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Tips can be made anonymously as well.
     
  9. hawkeyefan51

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    In the image discussion thread the shoes were discussed at length, along with everything else about the image, lol. The link to that thread is listing on the first page of every thread. There are a lot of good observations there. Hope this helps.
     
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  10. HockeyMom330

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    I agree it is impossible for us to know if the girls specifically used the word 'creepy' to describe the man, or if BP just inferred this and introduced that word into the conversation. What I do find very interesting is that she said they saw him earlier. Where? When? What was he doing that made them notice him?
     
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    Catching up so apologize if this has been answered.

    It’s a timer in SC not an indicator of battery life.
     
  12. x_files

    x_files Well-Known Member

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    I hear muffled inside a pocket or walking noise, but now that someone mentioned it I can hear, "Oh, my god no."
    My ears must be playing tricks on me.
     
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    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that or he was repeating muffled lyrics of a song that included “down t’ hill” because I’m not hearing feminine voices at all.
     
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    x_files Well-Known Member

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    The same with grown-ups we second guess ourselves. What if I am wrong? The police will chastise me.
     
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    I’d think technology would be able to determine an approximate height given background comparisons but you’re right, he’s not standing straight, plus the level of heels on his shoes would also come into play and maybe that’s why the 4’ variance.

    Body shapes vary but he looks to me like he has thin, lanky legs but a heavier upper body, common to some mid 20ish men who have began to fill out from their skinnier, youthful days.
     
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    The databases are growing, but it could take some time. Both my mom and I got tested on Ancestry because we wanted to see what countries they thought our ancestors came from. We got lots of family matches, and of course we matched each other. The closest match I had besides with my mom was with one of my dad's cousins. Beyond that, we didn't know who any of the other matches were. Some said 3rd to 4th cousins, but being that my mom's parents were cousins themselves, it could likely be more distant than that since we didn't know who they were. The rest were distant cousins that we did not know. If they have the killer's dna, eventually there will be a match somewhere. I have no doubt.
     
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    MOO that statement about the cold night always rang false, I have often wondered that the police may have drawn back intentionally because it was looking like a bad situation.

    By midnight the police might have tried by saying search was off to the media to encourage any possible assailant to make a move out of the woods. Modern criminals have smart phones too, and can track whats happening in real time.
    After two years of looking at crime in and around Delphi, I can't believe the CaCoSherrif's was that naive or callous.
    They deal with plenty of all kinds of crime, and a shocking number of sex offenders, many 'whereabouts unknown'.
     
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    My guess if they recognize him and know he did it he may have threatened them!
    Maybe Mother/Father is in denial...if LE gets closer expect strange behavior.
     
  19. drama_farmer

    drama_farmer "It's never just a mannequin"

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    I agree with your last (bbm) sentence. If there are 4 "notes" heard by some. . . remember that they are outdoors, where the most common "music" heard is birdsong and bird calls. And yes, many species of birds spend the winter months in Indiana. IME(xperience)
     
  20. Cutiekitty

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    I’ve been wondering about this and felt like they didn’t actually say those words, but something they said gave the family the impression the girls felt some one was creepy.

    TBH I doubt that LE has given the family much more info than what’s been released to the public. I’ve read that they were shown more video, but I’m guessing it’s some of the more innocuous stuff like the girl talk and not video/audio involving the girls being lead to the eventual crime scene. This is an open investigation and just because they’ve cleared someone does not make them part of the investigative team.

    Not directed at you at all. Just wanted to put that out there.
     
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