IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    We don't know who all Libby had on her Snapchat. That was closed down pretty quickly and since none of us could view it, we didn't see it. It's not info that's leaked through anywhere as far as I've seen.

    I think they could've gotten plenty far in an hour, though. By foot maybe not more than a mile or two but by car? Almost to Indianapolis.
     
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  2. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I think it was someone on the search party that evening who showed/gave it to media. I don't think it has been stated who it was. MOO
     
  3. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    If the victims were targeted, the source of the compliance might be hybrid:

    -Perpetrator does have an authority position and knows how how to handle children (teacher, youth sports coach, clergy, pool life guard, camp leader etc)

    - The girls don't know him from his authority position. Rather, they know him distantly as the boyfriend of 'c', the friend of 'f'', or the argumentative guy who used to call relative 'r'.

    So, the victims could have responded compliantly due to a combination of a command voice from somebody used to handling juveniles, and being some what familiar with him. They would not even need to know his name to have some degree of familiarity and be willing to comply initially. Rather, he could be known as "the guy" that knows "K".
     
  4. Theforeigner

    Theforeigner Well-Known Member

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    I know, however IMO it would have given a clue to that the girls indeed had been to the bridge as they said they would, and that they had not just ran off.

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    Add to that that already at ca 3PM Libby's phone vent straight to voicemail witch indicate that the mobile was turned of or dead one way or the other, and that was one more clue to that something probably was amiss.
     
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  5. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    How it worked then is what we are interested in. Thank you for your patience explaining it. I've got it now. The less time you have to view the faster it goes. :)
     
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    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    Very much agree.
     
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    nwmouse Verified cheese addict.

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    Thanks for the insight.

    I don't think the girls knew BG.

    I use the phrase "hey guys" all the time, its just generic language.

    I don't think the hike on the bridge was purposeful or arranged so the killer knew the girls were going on a hike.

    IMHO I think BG is an opportunist, saw these two girls and decided to strike. Random.

    I think he is older than 16-19 yrs old and tried to appear harmless by using the term "hey guys".

    We can use as much sage smudging as we like here but the facts remain the facts.

    This is moo and speculation.
     
  8. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    We don’t know because neither LE nor the family have said.
     
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    RSBM

    Thanks! I'm sure LE figured it out, too. Good to know that those pics aren't lost forever.
    (I know nothing about Snapchat - just what I've read here. My smartphone is in my desk collecting dust. My every day phone is a burner and a flip phone to boot. Cheap but fills my needs).
     
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    It's an interesting topic for sure.
    In an article from a year ago April:
    "Arizona joined 11 other states — California, Colorado, Florida, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming — that have solved cold cases using familial DNA matching. Illinois and Louisiana are currently pondering whether to use the technique."
    Then in January 2018 IN began collecting DNA from felony arrestees.
    By July 2018 the IN police had arrested the killer of cold case April Tinsley not using felony DNA databases but done by private labs using long-range familial DNA testing and family tree analysis from DNA ancestry type sites. People in these private labs are teaching many LE agencies around the country, including the FBI how to do the same.

    The legality of the searching is what seems to be "the talking point" now. If it's legal for say my cousin to put their DNA on a searchable site when they're putting my private DNA on there too, without asking my permission. That info is now being accessed by LE. Is it legal? I don't know but I'm sure that question will be tested in the courts soon.

    False starts in search for Golden State Killer reveal the pitfalls of DNA testing
     
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  11. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Yeah, a challenge is coming.

    Maryland lawmakers are currently trying to ban public databases being used for this purpose.

    Hopefully it fails, as this is too important.

    We’ve seen dozens of cases solved this way already, many of them decades old.

    Most of these guys were never on law enforcement’s radar.

    Golden State was just the beginning.
     
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    “Guys” could have been used because he didn’t know their names (agree).
     
  13. sillybilly

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    Please move on from the lengthy Snapchat convo and LE calling off the search. Neither is really very helpful in finding the perpetrator of this horrible crime.

    Also note, it is not victim friendly to insinuate the family is in any way responsible for these girls not being found sooner.

    Thanks.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    There has been nothing to suggest that any of the girls' peers knew they were going to be there that day, much less that it was "blasted" out on social media. There's been nothing to support this in MSM or even in any of the other places that we're not allowed to discuss.

    To me, "guys" is just a word. Servers in restaurants sometimes use it on tables in which none of the diners are known to them. Just about every YouTuber out there starts their videos with "Hey guys" or use it at least once in their videos (check out JayStation, Guava Juice, Morgz, DanTDM, ChadWildClay, etc). I use it at book signings when I don't know the name of the people whose books I am signing.

    BG could very well have had a connection to the girls (I don't believe it, but I can accept that it's a possibility) but IMO the use of the word "guys" is not evidence of this. It's a casual, friendly word that can be used in a variety of manners in a variety of situations.
     
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    I got you covered on the barrel of dried rice. My basement, one garage, and cellar are a thing of beauty. I don't think it's paranoia so much as extremely well prepared. Becoming a mom did that to me. I also wouldn't like likely volunteer my DNA. If LE really wanted it, I have no doubt they would find a way.
     
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    To me, those sounds in between the words almost sound hollow. An almost echoing sound.
     
  17. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Agree. I also believe it was random and that he was an opportunist. There's not been anything to suggest that the girls knew that they were going to be there ahead of time. However, the families HAVE stated that they decided to go at kind of the last minute. We can speculate that others knew they were going earlier but, so far, there's nothing to back that up. It doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it's not taking into account the facts that we know.

    I think the use of the word "guys" in this case is a red herring. I don't think it will have any bearing on the case, other than the fact that hopefully someone in his life will recognize the tone in which he said it. Without much new info to go on, IMO it's going to become like the red shirt in Mollie Tibbet's case.
     
  18. sunshineray

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    Yes and I'd heard the EU has also passed privacy law about it. Such a double edged sword, so good and yet so invasive also.
     
  19. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Oh good. And it appears that we may be neighbors as well, so that's helpful. I hope you also can meat because I've not yet built up the courage to do that and I do like my protein. ;)

    The voluntary offering of DNA is a weird one for me. I'm split in half on it. My desire to help LE potentially solve a case clashes against the idea of having my biological matter in a national database. As I said earlier, though, if the family around me volunteered theirs then it shouldn't matter if I don't offer mine. If the perp was someone in our family, as long as someone in our line gave DNA then it should help LE at least narrow it down.
     
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  20. MistyWaters

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    Delete, moving on from search discussion.
     
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