IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. moonlessnight

    moonlessnight Well-Known Member

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    wow. "I really believe, that over time, we're gonna have an idea that we were onto something early on." and "You take the head off that person, and you'll know, you'll recognize the body, whether it be your dad, your brother, your uncle, your friend, your neighbor, your coworker."

    ok, so they had an idea early on about who it might be. could that be from vehicle info they got from the CPS parking lot on the day the girls went missing or were found? if so, they thought it was significant early on and are looking at it closely again now.

    and, what is it about the head that you would need to ignore it to recognize the body. is it that he is wearing a wig? weird hat? shaved his head? went bald?

     
  2. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Well, if they really have DNA from the crime scene - every potential POI might have at least one cousin disliking the POI enough to provide own DNA. MOO. It gets more difficult if there are no cousins.
     
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    On the 5/16/19 interview, Carter says that someone knows the body of BG, take the head off and someone will know that body...he says the sketch is not a photograph and that it could be something between the 2 sketches.....Paraphrasing

    I thought the sketch was pretty darn detailed with the short curly hair, wide face, the chin (all seems very specific). Why show this new, detailed sketch at all or why not show more nondescript features. Carter says someone will recognize the body and it could be a combination of both sketches. I’m just frustrated because when they had the PC they essentially said, this is our guy. MOO
     
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  4. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    It’s not that he’s wearing a wig or anything, it’s that the image is so grainy that you cannot discern what this guy looks like.

    So ignore the face, and look at the rest of it.

    His shape, his size, his gait, his clothes.
     
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  5. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Such a strange way to express oneself. “You take the head off the person, and you recognize the body?” Like, in “The Headless Horseman”?
     
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    And the reality is not everyone will have an alibi that can be verified, even if they’re not lying. ie A farmer who’s wife works somewhere in town, a student who was home for the day studying and his parents were away somewhere for the day, an unmarried construction worker on days off who was working in his shop.

    Lack of a verifiable alibi is not proof of guilt unless something has drastically changed and one is considered guilty unless they can prove their innocence.
     
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  7. Charlot123

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    I have heard concerns from people who did not want to collect DNA for own genealogy. And they were reasonable. However, if someone wants your DNA, they can very easily get it.
     
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    Snipped:I, too, would like to know why it took two years if we are to believe they have DNA.


    If they found DNA at the crime scene, but the suspect's DNA was never entered into CODIS for a previous crime, there is nothing to match it to.
    More and more, the use of DNA through genealogy is used, however, it's still illegal in several states.
    Other states have restrictions like say for example, they can only use it after all other methods have been exhausted.
    And then there's the defense. How was that DNA handled when in the hands of a company like GEDMatch, or Family Tree? Was it contaminated?
     
  9. neesaki

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    Thanks Tiger Stripes, Yes it's well known that Bundy targeted women that resembled his ex-girl friend.
    I guess some people, especially psychopaths, don't take rejection well. Makes me want to look inside his brain, seriously. As in, what made him tick, what went wrong.
    Maybe I'm a little crazy myself because Abnormal Psychology was my favorite course in undergrad Psychology, LOL.
    Who knows if this predator can be categorized as the same as Bundy, but it is something to think about in a case like this, don't you think? JMO
     
  10. MistyWaters

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    Yeah I thought that was exactly his point as well.
     
  11. Backstroke10

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    I don’t think he’s wearing a wig or anything either and I’m afraid they aren’t confident about the new sketch anymore. MOO
     
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  12. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Sure, and I probably couldn't stop them. But that wasn't the question; the question was whether or not someone would refuse to voluntarily give it. And I would.
     
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  13. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Certain states restrict the use of genetic genealogy when it comes to criminal databases.

    Crime runs in families, so an unknown sample could be a partial match for a person already in the system.

    Parabon doesn’t use that system, as it uses GED Match, a much larger and public database.

    If they had solid DNA, this would be an option, and wouldn’t be subject to any restrictions.

    Indiana law does not prohibit this, nor do any states currently prohibit it.

    They don’t hand a sample to Parabon, and then get it back. It doesn’t affect chain of custody.

    Parabon uses it to narrow down the potential contributors, and law enforcement takes it from there.

    So you provide Parabon with DNA, Parabon might say “it’s someone related to this guy,” and law enforcement collects DNA to compare to the original sample.
     
  14. Charlot123

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    Well, technically speaking, GeDmatch or FTDNA are necessary to isolate a potential group of suspects when there is nothing in CODIS. (To know whose wastebaskets to rummage through to get that paper cup. Because you need a direct match).
    Plus. they don’t contaminate DNA when entering it into Gedmatch, as they enter a genetic code, presented in a certain format, not the double helix itself.
     
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    Ignoring the head because the details on the face are almost impossible to see. They're not just blurry-the pixels flat out aren't there in some places. The shape of his body, the way he moves, his mannerisms, and his clothing are much easier to see.

    As someone who is legally blind, without my glasses or contacts I can't see more than a few feet in front of me. I can't see eyes, noses, mouths, etc. However, I can tell who my loved ones are just by the way they walk and the shapes of their bodies. I think a lot of people would be surprised to find that they can do that as well. It's like when you're a parent and in you're in a room with a bunch of other kids. One kid on the other side of the room starts crying and you immediately know that it's yours.

    They're not saying there's something different about the face so people should ignore it-it's that they're saying that there's not much to see in the way of the face so look at the bigger picture.
     
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    RBBM

    Some speculated earlier that he had leg or foot issues, giving him a distinctive gait.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Yeah, and I don’t buy this.

    He’s walking on an unstable surface, so there’s no way of accurately determine that.

    Also, law enforcement would have had countless experts poring over every frame of that footage. If they felt he had some issue like that, they would say.

    It would greatly help narrow down the suspect pool, and would allow the public to point them in the right direction.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I'm not sure that his gait can fully be judged from what we have-2 seconds of someone walking really high up in the air on a skinny walkway full of rotting boards and no hand rails. But the way he shifts his weight, hunches his shoulders, leans his body forward, bows his head, etc. could be very distinctive if all those things are put together.

    ETA to @MassGuy Sorry dude. I'm your ECHO, echo, echo...

    And yeah, if it could be determined that he was an amputee or walking with some kind of physical problem then that would definitely narrow down the possibilities and I'm confident LE would release that. There are some things they need to keep quiet- like how he killed the girls, not ways in which he can be physically identified.
     
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    MOO not suggesting the DNA would be volunteered for a personal grudge, because it either matches or it doesn't.
    Golden state killer had relative in a nursing home. When he heard why they wanted his DNA he volunteered.
     
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  20. Charlot123

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    I did. I still do. Likewise, I think he wears some odd drawers. But the more I look at this pixelated loop, the stranger are the things that I see, so in my opinion, the video is too bad to make any reasonable conclusions.
     
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