IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. TL4S

    TL4S Dumbified Clown

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    Yes, that's it. Thank you! Like many other things, it is somewhat convoluted.

    The importance of the car also ties into why police now believe the killer is local. Riley said after reviewing many tips, investigators determined he was able to get around quickly on the day the girls were killed, and seemed to know the area.

    I wonder if witnesses spotted the car in more than one location that afternoon.
     
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  2. Mind your biscuits

    Mind your biscuits Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps there was no available parking spot at the cemetery. Slippery slope warning here!moo
     
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    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Yeah convoluted it is. I don’t know what “get around” is supposed to mean because a car parked from noon to 5pm isn’t dashing anywhere, in or out, quickly.

    I thought the suspect was considered local because of his knowledge of the trails? But if so, LE should’ve known that from the beginning. My only other guess is it comes from what this witness noticed, whatever it was they thought LE should know at the time the tip was initially made.
     
  4. TL4S

    TL4S Dumbified Clown

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    Was there a burial service there that day?
     
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    Mind your biscuits Well-Known Member

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    Not that I know of.
     
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    Yeah, that could be read more than one way. I guess since he mentions the car (and does this mean we can assume it was a car, vs. any other type of vehicle) being tied in the first sentence, I thought the part about getting around also meant the car. But that 12-5 time frame, even if extended as a precaution...It is confusing.
     
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    One year after the murders, Doug Carter stated unequivocally that LE had no information about a vehicle. So, it seems there were no witnesses who spotted a car. DC was left to guess that BG had a vehicle somewhere in the vicinity.
     
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    That's interesting. Something must have happened, because after another year goes by, they're looking for the driver of a vehicle, say the vehicle ties into the case, they think BG is local based on tips, and are reassessing evidence. They could have footage of the car driving by several locations in town, but didn't know they had it until they got a more recent tip about that same car at the DCS lot? Just a guess.
     
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    Even this statement, take away the car, and it doesn’t say the latest suspect was seen during the time of the murders. Just that the person “saw something” they felt needed to reported a few days later. Maybe they saw something that morning or evening of the murders or a day or two later.

    “But this sketch is not new. The sketch released Monday was drawn on Feb. 17, 2017, a few days after the victims' bodies were found. The picture was based on the description of a person who saw something that the person felt needed to be reported, according to the sketch artist.”
    Delphi murders: Investigators have had newly released suspect sketch for 2 years
     
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  11. TL4S

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    That's a really good point.
     
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    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    "Somebody may have already interviewed him," said Riley. "I'm not going to say they have or have not, but there's a possibility that has happened. The person apparently gave the investigating officers the information they were looking for. We have to try to go back and check on the information that we have received."...”
    ISP on Delphi killer: 'Somebody may have already interviewed him'

    MOO "gave the investigating officers tbe information they were looking for"

    I don't understand what this means, my guess is the police were told a lie that sounded plausible at the time.
     
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    BBM

    An alibi that was fake?
    JMO
     
  14. MistyWaters

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    There must be a reason information about the driver of the parked vehicle is no longer of interest to LE because they’ve removed any mention of a vehicle whatsoever in the recent requests for tips.

    “State police also remind tipsters to remember the following when submitting tips:

    • Be specific as possible to a description
    • Name and age if possible
    • A connection to Delphi and that person’s location or address at this time
    • Leaving information on how we can contact you for possible clarification of your tip is helpful but not required
    "Please remember that we are looking for information that could lead to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons who committed this crime," Indiana State Police said in their release...”
    Delphi: Over 3k tips received since new sketch released
     
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    Oh, just one more thing. You might almost be convincing me that the vehicle belonged to the witness...
     
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    It might explain why sketch one who was sighted near the trails around the time of the murders rose to greater significance than sketch two, a person who somebody “saw something” regarding him that appeared suspicious maybe even before or after the murders.

    LE has never said they believe the suspected murderer was sighted on the trail by anyone and so I think he wasn’t. And if nobody saw him, it’s likely he didn’t walk the public trail in order to get to the bridge.

    ETA - That he knew he wasn’t sighted might’ve been the reason he committed murder.
     
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    I've wondered if he didn't park there... but, I think parking in the CPS lot was a better choice for several reasons.
    The CPS parking lot was less noticeable imo, and people driving by to park in the front entrance parking lot might hardly notice the car there. If I had seen it there that day, I would have a quick thought of;

    "Must have been more people earlier and all the parking spots by the entrance were filled. I'm glad I came later... don't like the park when there's too many people here..."
    (ask me about the car in 5 minutes and I'd know nothing more than the color of it... and even that would be a maybe)

    Anyone going to the cemetery, on the other hand, provides parking along the rows for cemetery parking only. Anyone going to the cemetery to place flowers or "remember" a loved one that day would notice a car just sitting there empty with no driver in sight anywhere, imo. People often spend a little time in cemeteries when they go to "visit" so there would be a longer period of exposure to the car... more of a thought process involved concerning the empty car... no sign of a driver visiting in the cemetery. I'm not the most observant person because I tend to mind my own business but I know I would be able to describe the car that was there the whole time I was.
     
  18. MistyWaters

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    It takes small steps! lol!
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    So for LE to know this, they have to know who the person depicted in the first sketch actually is right? Or they would not be able to say this, IMO.
     
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    I'm not referring to two different sketches. It's clear if you read the comment I was replying to. My comment is a comparison of the actual photograph of BG on the bridge which was taken from Libby's video... and how I think the man in that photo has disguised himself so the photo cannot be expected to look like the sketch #2 that was released in April 2019, imo.
     
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