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IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. thesensitivechild

    thesensitivechild Well-Known Member

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    This is something I have considered for awhile. Which to me is another strike against them having full dna
     
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  2. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think that’s likely. If LE wanted to dim the light on a suspect all they’d have to do is not hold PCs or generate any attention getting information, stay silent and make it appear the case had grown cold while they continued to watch.

    There’s also an integrity factor and how far LE can reasonably go if they choose to become involved in public deception. To intentionally deceive the people of Delphi and the families into believing the second sketch is now the suspect, to insinuate the killer might be hiding in plain sight amongst them while appealing for tips clearly causes needless anguish and suspicion within their community that totally crosses the line IMO.
     
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  3. BlueShoe

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    I've often wondered if the cemetery had old graves and might be a spot for taking pictures. I know teens often like to do that. Here goes my theory again. The girls spot BG on the bridge, notice him, take a quick video and continue on their way to the cemetery for another photoshoot. As they wander down they engage in girl talk (and in my theory cross the stream) when they notice the "creepy guy" close behind them. He come up on them before they can flee, and attacks them. This is different than other theories and may well be wrong. It is the way I visualize things, though, because of the difficult terrain and the challenge of leading two girls down and across the stream. Totally MOO
     
  4. Blue Amethyst

    Blue Amethyst Active Member

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    I think you are right that they have figured out who the OBG is and it is not him who committed the murders. MOO
     
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    I sure hope so. But what I'm afraid of is that HLN special a few weeks back: "Are we any closer to an arrest or not?" Casey Jordan said, "I'm gonna say yes, but if it doesn't happen in the next few weeks I'm gonna worry this is a hail mary pass and they have nothing."

    And here we are a few weeks later :(

    @ 1:45:
     
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  6. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Early on in these threads the depth of the river on that day was discussed in great detail. Part of the reason was because some people believed it was highly unlikely anybody crossed the river at all, instead they crossed back over the bridge.

    IIRC there’d been some snowfall a couple days prior including general spring melt and the river was even higher on Feb 13th than later as shown in the video of the searchers walking in a formation searching the river bottom for evidence. And even though it was a warm Feb day, it still wasn’t that warm. The water could’ve easily been as high as waste deep and only a few degrees above freezing. It definitely wouldn’t have been a splish- splash ankle deep, hop over the sand bars type of river crossing river in Feb.

    Considering this, just my own opinion, I have a really hard time imagining either of the girls crossed the river willingly or the murderer intended to lead them across it. But if he did, he must’ve sought knowledge of the river in advance, to know where to cross to avoid undercurrents or deep channels. But it’s also why I think the girls attempted to flee, taking the chance of crossing the river believing once they got to the other side they’d be safe. JMO

    ETA - fishermen tend to know everything about rivers they fish.
     
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  7. zencompass

    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    Great point!

    I agree and as well I think he likely was wearing gloves.
     
  8. Boxer

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    MOO they figured out who OBG is
    or that it the OBG was a false report somehow.

    OBG was supposed to be the only unaccounted for person in the trail that day.
    But if YBG was seen somewhere else than the trail it would make sense, like walking back over I25 to get back to Delphi.

    I still think a local one use DNA drive data base is the way to go. Supermarkets, library, downtown.
     
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  9. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Not his first attack. When they find this miscreant, several other murders may be solved as well.
    Coward. Picking on little teens. I relish the thought of him locked up, forgotten for the Coward he is...rotting away.

    Amateur opinion and speculation.
     
  10. zencompass

    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    Dear @ab01 ,

    I highlighted your sentence (above) because I agree that this is a key factor.

    The area and the nature trails look lovely and I can certainly see why people of all ages would walk/hike along the paths.

    As to the unsafe bridge - unless someone was intent on taking photographs from the viewpoint of this treacherous and high bridge - I can't see the average person even considering to attempt to walk on it.

    I can see some adventurous people occasionally crossing it - teens or older. Since there really is nothing of historical significance or another path on the other side - I agree that there would be a very limited number of people who would want to cross it.

    The perpetrator, unfortunately, was aware of this.
     
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  11. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Let me throw out a notion I have on the profile of the Coward. I think he is 16-19, and very orderly and meticulous. Even the depiction of his tightly neat little hairdo speaks to that.

    He might work part time while in school doing something inventory oriented where order and control is required. Stocking and aligning supermarket shelves, or auto parts inventory comes to mind. Even a bag boy, where spatial skills and organized grocery packing is a plus.

    Organized, meticulous, order, control.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
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    This is almost verbatim what a co-host of Best Case Worst Case (podcast) said shortly after the last PC.
     
  13. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LIVELIKELIZZY

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    Based on what's been released thus far, I don't believe LE's timeline per their evidence of timestamp photo's and video provide for a trip to the cemetery. MOO
     
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    ISP seems energized. Nothing was happening with a dead end lead, now they have thousands more tips to look into and they may get on the right path accidentally.
    Even if their info slightly off, by keeping the pressure up. they easily could uncover real information along the way, the way you find things if you just keep looking and going over where you already looked.
     
  15. zencompass

    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    Dear @CrimeDawg123 ,

    I understand what you are saying and that's a great point.

    To me, I listen to their viewpoints which are very valuable, given their experience.

    It's not that I disagree with what these experts are saying, however, they also are not privy to all of the information and evidence that the investigative team has already gathered.

    If the experts had knowledge of all of the information the L.E. have on this case, perhaps they would say otherwise. Then again, perhaps no.

    Am I being too optimistic about them solving this case soon? (I do season my hope with healthy dashes of reality and reason :))

    My view that this case will be solved soon is buoyed by the momentum ensuing from the recent press conference, the "new direction" and the recent news interviews of Doug Carter.

    My hope is that they are able to build a case that can result in this perpetrator being arrested before he murders again.

    Justice for Abby and Libby.
     
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    True enough. However, many posters have pointed out that there is a sandbar where the river is only a few inches deep if one knows how to hop across it. The girls may have know of it, and could cross easily, especially if they removed their shoes. Again, this is just my theory. The girls did seem adventurous, given the bridge photos. MOO. If they removed their shoes, maybe there was not time to put them on again before BG confronted them. That could explain the strange comment, discussed by many posters, relating to an early interview or news story about the discovery of the murdered girls where a searcher asked about shoes. Perhaps a shoe was seen before the bodies were found. That would make sense if the girls waded across. Again, all my opinion only. MOO.
     
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  17. BlueShoe

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    Perhaps not. Maybe the girls thought they could be a bit late though. I don't know how long it would take to get to the cemetery, but since they were killed near it, there was time to murder them. Why wouldn't there have been time for them to go there for a quick photoshoot, if they didn't mind being a few minutes late for their ride back? I don't know if this is what happened, but I think the time would not be a problem. MOO
     
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    MassGuy, I was just thinking more on something you said. About if one part of a crime is particularly unusual that doesn't mean all of it is. The most important non-correlation with Marcotte case we talked about would then point to, in my mind, that BG is probably not a family man.

    Why take that chance with two victims at the same time if you were established in a job, settled and married with three kids? You'd want to have even odds to assure your success because you have a lot of normal to lose if caught. We know there was another woman hiking and taking pictures that day, right around the time of the murders too so he could have looked at the girls buddied up and decide no too risky, I'll wait for someone alone. On such a beautiful day odds were leaning in his favor he'd have found a single victim alone.

    He either in that moment threw all his normal to the wind and put his whole life in jeopardy or he had none of that established normal to lose. What kind of person does that willingly, changes that out of the ordinary random murderer MO?

    This guy could have so much confidence because he's had training. Maybe military, maybe LE or just someone with a job where he's states something to do and people jump to it. He's use to people deferring to him.

    Not being able to find a single case with similar circumstances of killing two at once with no kidnapping and transportation of the victims to another place involved, in broad daylight in a public area just begs to identify the reasoning of the killer to go through with it. The reasoning to take that chance.

    I know there's probably logical stuff I'm missing but I think that bridge between a single victim killer to a double one holds an important clue.
     
  19. EmmaRose

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    God bless you.
     
  20. CrimeDawg123

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    I hope they are as close as many people believe. I was excited by the confidence Carter displayed at the press conference. I want justice for these girls and their families so bad, I really get my hopes up. I cannot imagine the suffering the girls' loved ones have gone through. I just can't. I want this over with.
     
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