IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Posing victims actually IS pretty uncommon. The last stats I saw was something like fewer than 5% of the perps pose their victims. Washington State's Attorney General posted stats from 1982-2002 and found that 1.3% of victims are left in an unusual position, with 0.3% being posed and 0.1% being staged. That was posted in the Journal of Forensic Sciences 49(6):1308-12.
     
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  2. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    These two girls didn’t die peaceful deaths.

    No matter how he killed them, it was both violent and brutal.

    I don’t think Carter was alluding to posing, as it is not a requirement for his statement to be true.

    It is true on its face.
     
  3. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    This article cites studies that put it even lower, at less than 1%.

    Frequency of Body Posing in Homicides | Hendon Publishing
     
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  4. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    Yah it’s extremely rare and that’s why everyone remembers cases where it happens.

    It’s actually quite fascinating how we recall highly publicized cases where these things happen, and it actually sticks in our memories and we perceive them as being quite common.

    When In actuality it almost never happens
     
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    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    A) few/no witnesses on that trail;
    B) what if he is a version of JP? He might present differently, but IRL, is so shallow and immature, that his “acquaintances”, or even classmates, on finding out who he was, would respond with “who is that?”. And even if they think he may resemble the sketch, no one can remember where he was during that day, because his absence was not missed.
    C) DC mentioned “how he has changed since that time”. Now, this is interesting. Is he quieter, more subdued or, on the contrary, more outgoing, more omnipresent? Because this is something that people around him might have noticed. Huge change in personality. But even if they did, who would ID him on such a flimsy piece of evidence?
    D) I sometimes wonder if he had totally different plans for that morning. Met with someone he really liked, and got a firm “no”, for example? And that someone either never connected the dots, or can not imagine that the person she/he always knew as loving is capable of such a horrible crime? Or simply, is afraid of revealing something about herself/himself?
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I seriously doubt anyone knows who BG is. With the thousands of tips they have had, people must be calling in anyone they can think of who could remotely be him. LE is hoping someone knows...but that is all. Jmo
     
  8. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    With 42,000 tips called in it seems that, by this point, half the men in central Indiana who own a blue jacket and use the word "guys" have probably been called in. Even if you ignore the 35,000 tips that probably consist of "I saw this picture on FB..." and "have you thought about looking at people who..." statistically alone there should've been at least ONE good tip and since they're still asking for someone in BG's life to call in...

    Yeah, I don't think they know.
     
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  9. What if...

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    And if you consider all the people that live there, have lived there, have family there, have worked there, etc,... “Local” May not be as local as we’d like to think it is.
     
  10. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I think Patterson is a good example of how someone can commit a crime, and fly under the radar of suspicion.

    In that case (Jayme Closs), they of course didn’t have an image of the perpetrator, or audio of his voice.

    If they had though, I could still see him not being connected to that crime.

    He was a loner, who rarely interacted with the outside world.

    He lived in a bubble, had the benefit of living some distance away from the crime scene, and was never suspected of anything.

    He’s not particularly intelligent, was brazen and reckless in the commission of his crime, and would have gotten away with it had Jayme not escaped.

    BG and JP are very different in regards to the psychology behind their crimes, but they may have similar personalities.

    BG might also be benefitting from similar isolation.
     
  11. Charlot123

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    What a courageous young woman she is. Her reference to “the Shack” feels very different. It shows the generosity of her soul. Wish her and her family, as well as Abby’s family, to finally get successful closure.
     
  12. susiQ

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    It is interesting how KG affirms that she believes the killer is local, from the area, as he's walking across that bridge with his hands in his pockets. She remarks how she crossed the bridge on her hands and knees! I'm not even sure I could do it that way looking at the condition and height of that bridge:eek: Her thoughts jive with what I have felt too, that whoever BG is, he is VERY familiar with the bridge and the terrain for all of that to have happened that quickly and get out of there without being seen or at minimum having gotten away with it thus far. It makes me wonder how LE ever thought it was just some random guy from God knows where that did this heinous deed. This perp is no stranger to the park although he may not live in Delphi now. JMT
     
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    MOO, but I do believe that there is some...fear on the part of those who *do* suspect him. After all, LE has yet to be very clear that they will provide "protection" for those who fear for their lives/their family members' lives, should they give that "missing puzzle piece" of info. that will nail the case shut. (Someone please correct me if I am not accurate about this -- threads virtually "fly" by, and it's entirely possible that I have missed something HUGE as far as LE's words of assurance of protection for potential key witnesses/ tip-givers who can finish "connecting the dots" for LE as to the identity of the suspect.)

    On a slightly different note, imo the suspect comes off as being squeaky-clean, "choir-boy" type (as an earlier poster suggested; my apologies for not recalling the name at the moment). Thus, though I do think that the suspect is very much a loner, the few that do know him, don't really "know" him (though they think that they do); they simply know about him (since he has very carefully guarded things about himself, I hypothesize). So from what little they can see/observe about him, the thought of his possibly being the suspect? Totally off-the-charts an impossibility. "Him? Why would you joke like that?" might be a typical comment his acquaintances might say about him, were we able to "listen in" to their occasional conversations. Totally MOO that the suspect has a "dark side" that no one knows/imagines -- least of all those who "think" that they know the suspect. Entirely conjecture and speculation, but am thinking that there is a distinct connection between that secret "dark side" and the taking of two young girls' innocent lives... For Abby's & Libby's sakes, I want justice. For the town of Delphi's sake (and for their future peace of mind), I want justice. For the sake of potential future victims (ughk!) of this suspect, I long for justice.
     
  14. mtnlites

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    And though Patterson took steps to be careful (trading license plates, shaving his head, scoping the place out, etc.) he was also one who benefited from luck. He drove right back the police car as he was leaving and if he'd left just 5 minutes later, he probably would've been caught. He wasn't on anyone's radar at all, and the forums were pointing fingers at every single person whose name came up.
     
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    “At this point in time, Sheriff Laezenby said they had no reason to believe that the girls were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning.
    February 14, 12 a.m.: The search for the two missing girls was scaled back around midnight because of the dark.
    At this point in time, Sheriff Laezenby said they had no reason to believe that the girls were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning.”

    Crossquoting from the media thread, I just came across the above statements again.

    They make absolutely zero sense to me. Just sayin. All I can say is thank God the FBI is hopefully still overseeing this investigation, moo.

    Like I said around April 22nd after the PC, if we are here in 6 months then ask me what I really think. I’m afraid that anything I say now may be misinterpreted and won’t come out right. All I can say is the same thing I’ve said since April 22nd that there’s something not right about all of this.
     
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    I’m so sorry about how this horrific tragedy has affected Kelsi. I really admire how she and her Grandparents have tried their best to get the word out about BG. It is terrible how psych**s have tried to take advantage. *please note we are not permitted to discuss psych**s or the paranormal.
     
  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Yup. He was “hiding in plain sight,” by simply maintaining the status quo.

    He wasn’t fooling anyone; no one was looking in his direction to begin with.
     
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    He probably walked this bridge, and the terrain, but not necessarily that many times. What if he works in construction and heights are habitual and non-frightening to him? People’s brains are wired differently for heights. The same is true about directions. (If he has learning disability of the type when his non-dominant hemisphere functions better, he might compensate by good memory for direction. I am not a specialist in it, just MOO).

    And since I am on this topic...has LE, or anyone who has seen the whole video, the ability to determine dexterity? (Baby goat notwithstanding), some people here believed that BG had a gun in his pocket, and that the way the gun was placed indicated L-handedness. Could it be true? Because if true, it significantly narrows the group of potential suspects.
     
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    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    I think those statements make perfect sense.

    This type of thing happens every single day in America. People get lost, and searchers set out to find them.

    The vast majority of these cases do not involve foul play.

    These were teenage girls, who could have walked out on their own, if they hadn’t already.

    Protocols are put in place to handle what happens most of the time, not what happens on rare occasion.

    There was nothing overly concerning at the time, and you don’t want to risk the safety of members of the search team.

    As it turned out, it didn’t matter anyways. Those girls had almost certainly been dead for hours.
     
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    Everything about this crime is unusual and how he’s managed to get away with it this long, is mind blowing. MOO I am constantly on here, waiting for the day they announce his arrest. Hopefully that’s sooner than later. :(
     
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