IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

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  1. janewall

    janewall Well-Known Member

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    He may also have had some instruction or training in dealing with heights, either on-the-job or recreationally. There are learnable techniques in walking confidently and easily on narrow surfaces or with uncertain footing that he could have picked up from Scouting or similar activities, or he may just be a person with spatial confidence in situations many others find harrowing. Think of gymnasts who learn to maneuver easily on balance beams, or of stunt artists and daredevils on highwires, or of non-performers, non-athletes, "just ordinary folks" who feel at ease rock-hopping or climbing mountains or walking narrow trails with precipitous drops such as those found at the Grand Canyon and many other parks. And then there are people in various places around the world who are used to walking narrow rope or log bridges just to get to where they have to go. It's not that unusual, it's just a matter of acclimating to being on a narrow or flimsy high surface and either overcoming the novice's fear, or never really feeling it in the first place.
     
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  2. sumzero

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    Would the sheriff be comfortable with calling off the search if it was his daughter who was missing? I don't know. I'm wondering what they thought had happened to the girls, since 9 hours had passed without any contact with them.
     
  3. Blueberry2720

    Blueberry2720 Today would be a fine day for an arrest.

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    I recall reading something to the effect that Libby had been across the bridge many times, but this was Abby's first time. If true, could be why Libby took Abby's pic as she neared the end, almost like a "you did it!" moment.
     
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  4. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Abby, actually, did very well, and looks graceful and beautiful in that photo.

    I found an article explaining why we are naturally afraid of heights.

    Why We're Afraid of Heights

    However, some people may need less visual objects to make them feel they are standing on a firm ground. It is hardwired into us. So in relation to the BG, I think it was not his first time on the bridge, but not necessarily did he have to live in Delphi.

    ETA: just read that some people like the thrill of heights. I wonder if the BG, actually, experienced a different kind of thrill and by virtue of such, was almost disregarding the height.
     
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  5. wary

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    And then, these unusual things happen all the time in fiction, which distorts our perceptions even more.
     
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    wary Well-Known Member

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    *snipped the dangerous word even more*

    As I first read it, I filled in the blanks to make it say ‘psychos’, and was extremely puzzled. “We can’t discuss psychos? Since when?”
     
  7. Jaclin

    Jaclin Well-Known Member

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    MOO -I thought the bodies could have been posed due to Carter's statement about how the bodies aren't how he left them, though I don't believe it is actually common. After you consider the comments Carter made about the shack, it makes his comments about the bodies not being how he left them more ambiguous. We, as the public, can't know if the statement eluded to posing or only to Carter's belief in the afterlife (the girls receiving new bodies in the next realm). That may or may not have been by design.
     
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    Very interesting. Based on the comments it was posted 8 months or so ago.
     
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  9. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I think it would have been called off at some point after dark no matter who it was. It is probably dangerous for the searchers to be out walking in the woods after dark, and they wouldn't want anyone else getting lost or hurt out there.
    The family has said they thought the girls were lost or maybe injured and couldn't get back to the trail. I think murder was likely the last thing on anybody's mind.
    It did get down to the mid thirties and forties that night, but not to freezing or below. Maybe if it had been much colder they would have switched to a different protocol, I really don't know. Imo
     
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    I hope a good tip didn’t get buried underneath all the crappy tips from people who don’t even live there and are just trying to solve the case from their keyboards. I mean, imagine slogging through that many tips.
     
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  11. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I thought Carter's statement simply reflected his views on the afterlife. No, the girls aren't how he left them-alone, cold, and dead. Now they're in Heaven (or wherever your belief in eternity may be).
     
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    I’m sure it’s been discussed and maybe I missed this somewhere but is it true that LE has more audio that they did not release? I believe so. I believe that Libby may have recorded their murder. Could be wrong but it’s likely she did and perhaps why Carter so emotional. MOO there weren’t any more words from BG and just sounds of the crime which has got to be the stuff of nightmares.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    It's been said that there's 8 minutes of additional audio, and in the link above with the interview of Kelsi, she mentioned that her grandparents had listened to it. We have no idea what that audio consists of, though.
     
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    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Your last statement is a very good point. If the act of murder was a thrill to him he may not have thought twice about crossing the bridge. Imo
     
  15. MsBetsy

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    I think he is telling the killer that the girls live on in heaven.
    He believes this is all about control to him. Killers have said in the past that the moment their victims die is what gives them the most excitement. It gives them a God-like feeling of power.
    I think Carter was trying to agitate him by taking that feeling of control away while also appealing to his conscience using religious references.
    The killer has probably felt in control throughout this investigation considering they were not getting close to finding him. So Carter is telling him he doesn't hold the cards. He did not succeed in ending their lives forever. There is a higher being that is more powerful than all of us, and in the end, goodness will win over evil. Imo
     
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    That begs the question, do you think BG is a one time killer or does anyone think he has killed before? I myself am leaning towards that his "profile", as thin as it is with the little facts we have, could hold clues in the direction of previous killing(s). Just thinking out loud again and AJMO
     
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  17. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    Yep

    I think a lot of the speculation around it has come from the fact that many want to believe that Carter was speaking to a specific known individual

    I don't believe they knew who that individual was at the time of that statement and they still may not even today

    Like you said I think it was just more of an emotional and spiritual reference

    JMO
     
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  18. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I don't believe he has probably killed before just based merely on the individuals suspected age and nature of the crime

    It was very risky and brazen, and if investigators are right committed very close to home

    LE likely has a very good indication, just by clues at the crime scene itself

    Without us having those details its really hard to say for certain but thats the way I lean towards

    I mean he will no doubt continue to kill if he is not caught as they guys simply have no empathy to any other human being

    Additionally those who commit stranger murders such as this always go on to kill again its like and addiction to them and they have very little self control

    He needs to be caught like yesterday, or two years ago for that matter

    With that said I still believe investigators are doing everything in their power to find this guy

    And I believe they will

    JMO
     
  19. TL4S

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    I liked your ETA, as well. If he had followed the girls for awhile, and was nearing his approach, his adrenaline might have been running higher than the bridge.

    When I was younger, I went through a rock climbing phase. I was able to do so, regardless my fear of heights. But walking across that bridge still looks scary as hell to me. That's why I completely believe BG had been on that bridge before (adrenaline or not).
     
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    Do you think he's possibly killed since? I guess I don't, but I'm curious.
     
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