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IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

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  1. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    If this guy was following them through one of those apps, he’d almost certainly be behind bars right now.

    That leaves a digital trail, and I’ve never heard of a crime like this, committed in that way.

    I think that’s way too sophisticated for a guy that was this brazen, reckless, and stupid.
     
  2. Boxer

    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    MOO FMIP shows the phones last location before battery dies or turned off.
    MOO if Libby had FMIP, the family searchers on 2/13 would have at least located the phone, and probably the girls too, since Libby's phone was said to be found near CS.
     
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  3. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Have we ever heard L.e say they found the phone? Or just those words put into mouth by reporters?
     
  4. kc1023

    kc1023 Well-Known Member

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    I hate to post JCOnline bc the links hardly ever work - the trick is you need to open it in a private/incognito browser window. You should be able to do that by right clicking and choosing that option, however, I am not sure how all devices work so YMMV. Article also has the thing where LE said they were arresting people on unrelated charges.

    But here is the alibi quote I think you are after:

    Police corroborating alibis given in Delphi killings (right click, open in private or incognito window)

    Published 7:55 p.m. ET March 15, 2017

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    DELPHI, Ind. — Some of the alibis given to police investigating Liberty German and Abigail Williams' killings turned out to be less than truthful.

    “We’re going deeper with alibis that are provided,” Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said. “Part of the reason … we have learned of people who have lied to us on the alibi.”

    That doesn't make them suspects, per se, Indiana State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said, but it does mean that police want to find out the truth — whatever that might be.

    "They’re seeing that maybe there are some discrepancies going on," Riley said about rechecking the alibis.“It’s just making sure we don’t miss something.”

    Investigators are attempting to independently corroborate alibis that didn't add up, and if need be, find out why there are discrepancies, Leazenby said.

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    During the course of the investigation, police have made unrelated arrests, Leazenby pointed out. If, for example, police find someone they are interviewing is wanted on a warrant, officers can't ignore that. So the person goes to jail on unrelated charges. A probation hold can keep a person locked up for 15 days without charges, Leazenby said.
     
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  5. bradfordsleuth

    bradfordsleuth Well-Known Member

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    JMO
    Everything ties back to the timing the witness for sketch #2 saw BG. I know we are not all on the same page with this...but I can't help saying it again. I think BG was seen by witness 2 in the parking area prior to the crimes.

    If the witness was off with the time, it could have allowed BG for an alibi that did not exist, or BG could have given a great reason for being spotted there earlier that day and was never spotted on the trail.

    I am leaning towards someone saying they were with BG at the time of the murders even if they weren't (thinking he was doing 'a favour for a buddy'), or BG supplying a receipt (again...that same buddy sent to 'do a favour') or even showing a receipt for a restaurant or something.

    I am thinking that Robert Ives coming back from retirement is a very positive sign this case is moving in a forward direction.

    Lol. I was thinking that we have heard more info from Carter in the past 4ish weeks than we have in a while!

    I will happily take it as I would like to believe that he and his team are just getting their ducks lined up in a row and are readying themselves for an arrest. ;0)
    JMO
     
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  6. Bluntgirl

    Bluntgirl The truth WILL come out

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    (Bolded by me)

    Boom! I Agree 100%
     
  7. susiQ

    susiQ Well-Known Member

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    So very sorry x_files that you had that horrifying experience. I can't imagine. All I can think is people are afraid of getting involved. No excuse, but there have been a number of instances around where I live where people tried to help and ended up dead themselves. I imagine some were thinking you were a rebellious teen since the stranger was yelling that you were his teenage daughter. What I CANNOT understand is LE not taking a report or following through with some investigation of your account of a near abduction! What the heck?
     
  8. bradfordsleuth

    bradfordsleuth Well-Known Member

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    Delete. Quote is acting up.
     
  9. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    They would be able to get tower info really fast under certain circumstances and would probably have been able to get the records that night or early the next day prior to the girls being found.

    Edit: Deleted my question about when MP made the ping comment. I remembered the comment, but not when it was made. It was early on
     
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    Finnamin Active Member

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  11. bradfordsleuth

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    Snipped and BBM
    Agree!!!
    Thank you for sharing that helpful tip.
     
  12. pepper 34

    pepper 34 Well-Known Member

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    Some members have asked, while considering theories, about the private road that goes under the bridge and how BG may have parked a vehicle on that road to use in his plan. I've outlined the road in red (from the bridge... to the cemetery) if traveling on "rural country roads." It involves taking a left onto W200N Road. If you take a right on W200N, you have to pass over Route 25. There is no entrance ramp. If you pass over Route 25, you will be heading directly to the town of Delphi. Of course, you can get to the cemetery by literally traveling down Main Street through Delphi center. From W200N you can take a left onto State Road 39 and head to Route 25 that way... taking Route 25 north to the MHBT and then the cemetery.

    ET Remove my own theory. I really just wanted those who had questions about where the road goes to be able to visualize the road system in the area.
     

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    So sorry - somehow my reply to Roses was embedded in the original post. I am still learning how this site works.
     
  14. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    If the last “ping” was there it would be logical to search there. I’m not saying BG took the phone and brought it back. Also not saying it was actually pinging all over town, but the comment MP is interesting to me.
     
  15. zencompass

    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    The internet provider/cell phone provider used by Libby would have been known by her family and they would have given this information to the police.

    I believe that the L.E. sent a request for disclosure to the internet provider under "exigent circumstances".

    This indicates to me why the search was contained in the area where they did eventually locate the bodies.

    The information received on the night of February 13th by the L.E., from the internet provider would have included the last ping in that large search area.



    "Exigent circumstances- circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of the suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts."
    Exigent Circumstances


    18 U.S.C. § 2703 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 2703. Required disclosure of customer communications or records

    18 U.S.C. § 2703 - U.S. Code Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 2703 | FindLaw
     
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  16. Confusion

    Confusion Creative Spelling Expert

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    I've already said this several times, but once more won't hurt much. I think the problem is that people keep changing the wording of what her grandfather said. He said something like, "Her phone was pinging around town until about 5 hours ago." For some reason, people keep changing it to, "Her phone was pinging all over town until about 5 hours ago." There may not be a big difference between the two sentences, but they can mean completely different things. A rather gruesome comparison might be the difference between saying, "The bodies were found around Delphi." and "the bodies were found all over Delphi." In the first case, it's (to me) meaning "near" Delphi, whereas the second case would mean at multiple places within Delphi. I hope that makes sense.
     
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  17. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    But what of the photo of the bridge...do you know, was it a different bridge?

    “Abigail’s mom, Anna Williams, has a photo of the bridge as her Facebook cover photo. That photo was already in place before her daughter went missing.”
    Abigail Williams & Liberty German: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
     
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    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Starts at appx 1:35. The data from the cellphone was obtained with the assistance of Indiana Computer Crimes Against Children Taskforce. LE also said the cellphone was found “near” the bodies.

     
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    Does anyone remember LE saying that the voice on the audio seems frustratingly familiar to some of them? They presumably have more audio than we have heard so this would be very interesting if true. I can’t find the MSM source for this anywhere, but I think I read it on this thread around the time of the murder/sexual assaults of three women at a Christian bookstore in St. Louis. There was rampant speculation that the perpetrator there was BG because of the hat on that suspect and the hat in the OBG sketch.
     
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    PaulaDC Well-Known Member

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    Also the last feed had a post that mentioned the family having issues with the phone company and getting info on tracking/pinging. Just curious why that would be as I was under the impression that the phone was Grandma's?
     
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