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IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

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  1. Jerrod

    Jerrod Well-Known Member

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    We can get a perspective of its width and location during the time a few official vehicles were parked there during the search:

    driveway1.jpg driveway2.png
     
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    Find my iPhone was not used, Becky Patty talked about this at length, possibly it was in her interview with Gray Hughes (not 100% sure that's where). Becky had thought she could call the phone company and they would locate the phone using that kind of technology but they wouldn't and couldn't. It's pretty obvious she didn't know how the technology worked or she would have described logging into Apple with Libby's password. I wish they'd had the means and understanding to do that.

    It is indeed an unpaved, narrow private lane/driveway. It can be seen in some of the YT site exploration and re-enactment videos.
     
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    Sorry if I missed this before, but was Libby’s FB public or private?
    The short time I was on FB, I noticed one of my ‘friends’ FB page showed everywhere she went, like ‘Jane Smith is at Starbucks’, and followed her every move. I was just thinking of that possibility in this case.
    Again, apologies if already discussed and answered.
     
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  4. bradfordsleuth

    bradfordsleuth Well-Known Member

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    Her fb was pretty public.
    I don't recall if she used the 'check in' function that shows where you are, but I remember seeing all her friends and pictures etc. at the time.
     
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    Just had a thought that what if a person covering for them thinks they are covering for a much lesser crime this person "admitted to be doing" at the time.
     
  6. Cutiekitty

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    Even with the BG video (which isn’t exactly clear) and the audio this is a tough case.

    Between tower information, obtaining/reviewing phone records, identifying SM friends (FB, Instagram, SC, Twitter and Kik), following up on the thousands of tips, and following self generated leads LE had their hands full. A lot of this work would be very labor intensive even with a task force of people IMO.
     
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    There was a lot of talk that the phone was BP phone but in an interview with BP (think it was GH interview) BP said the phone was Libby's but she recently had some problems with it and had to do a reset to it.
     
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    We DO NOT know that THE PERPS DNA is there. LE has never confirmed they have DNA from the presumed murderer. This keeps coming up over and over again. All LE has said is that DNA was recovered from the crime scene. Well, of course it was, DNA is all over everything, everywhere. Again, WE DO NOT know that LE has any DNA relating specifically to Abby and Libby's murderer.
     
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    That's simply not a feature of Facebook. Unless she was sharing the locations herself vis individual posts.
     
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  11. Cutiekitty

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    I thought I had read somewhere that Abby hadn’t been on the bridge or wasn’t allowed to go on it.
     
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    Possibly what you read came from Abby’s mom comment.

    But I think we also have to consider the context in which it was made as not all remarks are intended to be taken literally. The families have been subject to harsh and totally ridiculous SM criticism, as if to suggest their parenting was irresponsible because teenagers shouldn’t be allowed out of the house without supervision.
     
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    I don’t see enough detail to be able to say if there is any type of logo on his clothes, especially a shirt that is under a jacket and possibly a hoodie.
     
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    In regards to finding DNA, is it possible if DNA was found on the girls that it could somehow be explained away as to why it was there? Is it possible that the explanation was also backed up by a seemingly solid alibi, but now that alibi is in question? Just speculation and my opinion, of course.
     
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    Somewhere you may be able to find a video of Abby’s mom and she talks about Abby taking photos with her old camera. But nothing has been mentioned about either of the girls having a camera with them that day. Unfortunately some youtubers make videos based on theories pulled out of thin air.
     
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    Anything’s possible but as more than two years have passed I think the likeliest possibility is DNA was not recovered which would conclusively identify the murderer, beyond any doubt.

    If LE had solid evidence including DNA, I don’t think a “say-so” type alibi would prevent charges from being laid. It’s common for criminals to be successfully convicted even though they pose a defence claiming they can’t have done it, including testimony from others involving verbal alibis.
     
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    Yes the road appears to narrow after going north, straight through the intersection at the end of N625W and then it passes a few residential properties before curving toward the one at the very end of the road.

    South on N625w is the landfill station. By ironic coincidence, this also appears to be where RL drove to while his licence was suspended.
    Carroll County Transfer Station | Delphi, IN

    Owner of Delphi murder site admits to driving to county dump on day of teens’ killings
     
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    Marking my space. I, too, feel there is no workable DNA, as this case has accumulated enough money, and LE does not come across as the person who would be against using DNA.
     
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    I couldn’t actually open the video to see exactly what she said, but I kind of remember seeing it.

    I’m not criticizing the parents at all. Kids need some freedom. Plus, sometimes you can’t control what they do. People can definitely be jerks. I just vaguely remember the comment about Abby and the bridge and absolutely can’t remember where I read it. The forgetfulness is bugging me.
     
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