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IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

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  1. mtnlites

    mtnlites Mystery Machine Driver

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    There have been a few different talking heads who have popped onto the screen and given their 2 cents about what should be happening right now and, in most of these cases, it has felt like we here on the forum know more about the case than they do.
     
  2. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    It’s exif data and most smart phones have this turned off as the default. I do not know why LG would switch hers to on. The only way to get that info as far as I know is from the original photo and not from something received via SC.

    Edit: you can add a filter that puts the time on your pic, but you have to manually do this before posting and it’s huge. The pic LG took was really nice. Can’t see her ruining it with a big ugly timestamp.

    Edit: typo
     
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  3. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    I have seen one photo that had the actual time on it, but it was added after the fact by a media source.

    Can you say what you are watching without posting a link or the video? Would that be a violation?
     
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  4. Justice101

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    Very interesting observation...
     
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  5. Justice101

    Justice101 Well-Known Member

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    I think it is an anonymous tip line. That way, people are given the option to keep their name out if it protects them from the assailant.
     
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  6. Cutiekitty

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    I have no clue, but I find your line of thinking very interesting. It’s not something I’d really thought of thus far. I’m sure LE has looked at all angles and who would benefit from this crime would be something I’d think they’d consider.
     
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    dbm
     
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  8. Cutiekitty

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    That was irresponsible of her to state that. If she is actually involved with the case she’s broadcasting what’s going on. If she’s not involved with the case she has no idea what LE is doing or what they’ve got and is talking just to talk. I can not stand it when former LE does that.
     
  9. beagledog

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    Do any of you think that having the video of the BG is possibly making this harder to solve in some way? The video image is so poor that you cannot tell what the person looks like, so your brain fills in the missing details with inaccurate details (most likely). I think most people have an image of an older man with a hat on similar to the guy in the first sketch they released. People are trying to recall someone they know that wears a blue jacket like the BG. There is a good chance that the jacket is something that he rarely (if ever) wore before so it wouldn't be familiar to his friends/family. Residents of Delphi have racked their brains looking for someone that day that was wearing that outfit. After the crime was committed, the man probably disposed of the blue jacket and hoodie. If the suspect is actually much younger (as sketch 2 suggests) then he could have walked around town in jeans and a t-shirt after the crime and nobody would have suspected a thing because he looked nothing like the man in the video. Someone probably saw something suspicious that day in Delphi but since it didn't match the image in the video, they discounted it.

    Also the BG's gait in the video is probably quite different than it would be while walking down the street since he is crossing an old railroad bridge that requires him to sidestep holes and watch his footing carefully. His everyday "street gait" would be very different and wouldn't trigger people to think he's the man in the video.

    Having a photograph or video of a perpetrator is invaluable if it provides hair color, weight, eye color, straight/crooked teeth, nose shape, etc. Unfortunately, the image of BG from the video doesn't provide any of that information. I think the only thing that most people can agree on is that he is wearing jeans and a blue coat/jacket.
     
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  10. MistyWaters

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    I sure would like to hear this entire untranslated interview because I wonder about the accuracy of automated transcript. I notice the exact questions Riley is responding to are not included so it appears his answers might have gotten scrambled together.

    Just as a hypothetical example, a question answered creates a different context - (from your link)
    "The importance of the car also ties into why police now believe the killer is local. (—-Why do you believe the killer is local?”—-) Riley says he was able to get around quickly on the day the girls were killed, and seemed to know the area.

    Then who is the person he’s referring to below? Is this his response to why the driver of the car is being sought? Because otherwise, if LE truly spoke to the suspect wouldn’t “going back and checking on it” be top priority as opposed to wasting time appearing in PCs and interviews?

    .....the person apparently gave the investigating officers the information they were looking for ... we have to trto go back and check on the information that we have received."......
     
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  11. moonlessnight

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    I think Riley is a female LEO.

    The info you quoted makes me think they interviewed someone early on they may see now as a POI and he gave LE info LE wanted at that time - even if it may have been bogus info that lead to the OBG sketch.

     
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  12. Yemelyan

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    Sgt. Kim Riley is male.
     
  13. MistyWaters

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    Definitely male.
     
  14. CSIDreamer

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    I just asked this a day or two ago. I know the video is probably for that one person that needs to see it and say aha! I kinda feel its detrimental overall.
     
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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Posts have been removed.

    Please do not discuss content of a podcast that has not been WS approved as a source.
     
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  16. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    How could they know it involved a POI and bogus info if LE hasn’t even bothered to “try go back and check on information they received”?

    Nothing about those statements makes sense to me including why a parked car in a highly visible parking lot between noon and 5pm suggests the killer was able to get around quickly and knew the area. Wouldn’t that beg the question “how so?”
     
  17. bradfordsleuth

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    You makes some excellent points and I am glad you mentioned this!

    The transcription does appear to be disjointed without knowing what the questions were that were posed to Riley.

    It would be easy to read something and sort of 'fill in the blanks' as to what the questions are in your head, but in this case that could be dangerous.

    I was interpreting ...the person apparently gave the investigating officers the information they were looking for ... we have to trto go back and check on the information that we have received."
    as the information that someone provided regarding the car needs to be verified, but who that person is unknown (to us.)

    Without the full proper context (knowing the questions, as well as Riley's answers) then we will never be able to determine the accuracy of what Riley's intentions were with each response.

    My interpretation is therefore more than likely, way off.
    JMO
     
  18. mtnlites

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    I think the image/video has certainly led to a massive amount of worthless "tips" anyway. But yes, I see what you're saying. The quality is poor enough that it could be almost anyone of any age. Because he's so high up and that's most likely not his normal gait, it could also be throwing people off who actually know him. Even the audio can be a little confusing. We have half the board thinking that he said "guys" because he knew them (or worked in a field that puts him around young people) and half the board saying that they refer to most people as "you guys" (that's me).

    Poor Libby. She did a GREAT thing by capturing him on film. One day her efforts will rewarded when the dude is caught.
     
  19. MistyWaters

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    For people who know someone with a connection to Delphi who may have committed these murders, I think it’s very helpful because it also eliminates men who looked nothing like the photo or video from more than two years ago. But LE also seeks information beyond appearance as they’re hopeful the suspect has exhibited incriminating behaviour of some sort. Everything added together, that’ll be the one tip they’re waiting for.
     
  20. PaulaDC

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    She also let the word "machete" slip out way too fast, imo.
     

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