Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #107

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  1. jillycat

    jillycat Well-Known Member

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    From remarks by LE, I doubt that the girls were shot and just left there. My impression has always been that the scene where their bodies were found was remarkably disturbing and LE has had a difficult time with that.
     
  2. Deathsgrandaughter

    Deathsgrandaughter Active Member

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    Been AWOL a few weeks and can't believe we are on thread 107 with no real answers.
    Anyone struggling like me in the UK with the links to the show discussing the case- Still a Mystery: Down the Hill, it is available on Youtube HERE
     
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    I still always wonder about the “couple” fighting under the bridge as described by a witness. Could it have been Abby or Libby arguing with BG/boyfriend/known male ?
    If so , it’s said that the girls would stickup for each other so maybe the suspect killed both girls in a rage after an intense argument over something ? Jealousy,
    need to cover something up ?.
    Also , KG said 10-20 kids were there when she dropped the girls off ,but then there was a “lull” around the time the crime was committed. How would this be known for sure? All 20 kids left at the same time ? Doesn’t make sense to me. JMO.
     
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    Can you share where you heard about the 10-20 kids? This is new information to me, seems like a lot of people to clear out in 1-2 hours.
     
  5. CrimeDawg123

    CrimeDawg123 Well-Known Member

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    Hello, anything new in this case?
     
  6. Cutiekitty

    Cutiekitty Well-Known Member

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    No, If the friend looked at the post at 9:07pm they could’ve guessed the post was posted at 2:07 because of the time stamp that says 7 hours ago. They could’ve also looked at it at 2:07. I think it was the first scenario.

    I’d think LE knows the exact time the photo was posted, the video recorded and the the audio too. Some info they could get from the phone (if that’s how the video and audio were made) some info would have to come from SC.

    The 2:07 time did not come from LE. It came from an individual and has been referenced in the media. Till I see LE say that’s the time I don’t count it as a fact.
     
  7. TL4S

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    Thank you! So really, the important time is actually the time of the video, since that appears to be the beginnings of the crime? Do we know what time that was, or is it only speculation? Thanks again for your help explaining!
     
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    Renner interview of KG.
     
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  9. Cutiekitty

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    No clue. LE had BG last seen at 2:30 on the billboards initially, but that’s not on them anymore.
     
  10. Intrigued25

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    Delphi property owner: "I can't comprehend it"

    In reviewing old MSM I found this article in which RL states:

    “To have something like this in your own house, your own home - I just can’t get my mind around it yet, it’s really difficult,” said Logan. “I can’t comprehend it.”

    I am guessing he is referring to his property not his house....thoughts?
     
  11. heartgoesout

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    This is interesting wording...
     
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  12. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    My child is dead. There is no "normal" way to react to your child's death. Everyone is different and, unfortunately, they do not provide us with manuals on how to behave and act. Grief affects everyone in different ways.
     
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    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    Also, "unseasonably warm" simply means that the temperature isn't necessarily what one would expect for that time of year. They weren't exactly having a heat wave. Forty degrees is still cold to me. At 40-50 degrees I'd still be in a coat. My daughter, however, would not. She wants to look "cute" and takes every excuse to shrug out of her outerwear. That bridge is very windy and feels a few degrees cooler than the temps do down below. BG does not appear unreasonably bundled up to me. Much has been made about how "warm" it was that day, but not everyone feels temperatures in the same way. It's possible that he was bundled up to try and hide himself, but IMO it's just as possible that he was simply chilly.
     
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    There’s other comments made by RL indicating his tendency to exaggerate. He also referred to the far side of his 40 acre property where the bodies were discovered as “his backyard”.
     
  15. HockeyMom330

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    BBM

    I wouldn't count it as a fact either, however because it is so precise it seems authentic. The timing of the Snapchat could have been cited as 'around 2:00pm or 2:15pm' as times often get rounded to the nearest 15 minute interval. But to describe it as 2:07pm makes it seem like it was an exact timestamp.
     
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    Are FBI billboards presently featuring the Delphi case once again? Indeed they were for a time in 2017.

    Not too long ago the FBI billboards in Indianapolis promoted the missing persons case of JC from Wisconsin. OT “The FBI believes a missing Wisconsin girl could be anywhere in the country and that's why they're asking for help.” Ironically in that case the “belief” in the need for a nationwide search proved misdirected as well.

    FBI adds billboards, posters to search efforts for missing Wisconsin girl
     
  17. AC4RD

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    Great description of how a lot of us feel about this case. What happened is so horrible, and it SEEMS like somebody should have recognized the photos/video but there's still no resolution and a bunch of family and friends with broken hearts. You're right, it is all so awful that it leaves you (including me) feeling tired. This is one I keep hoping WILL be solved and some heartless psycho will go to jail forever. :-(
     
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    What if this crime was not only not targeted, but not even planned at all...maybe it just unfolded as a random crime of opportunity? Maybe BG (a mentally unstable guy with a tramatic background and a quick fuse) had a really stressful morning (maybe an arguement with his parents, or got dumped by his girlfriend, or lost his job etc...) so decided to walk the trails to blow off steam. The bridge might be a place he went in his youth, and he might find comfort in being outdoors. He bundles up in a hoodie and jacket and maybe a hat and scarf, because its winter. He is not trying to disguise himself, just stay warm. He parks somewhere familiar at the CPS building (as locals often do) or cemetary. He is not worried about his car being spotted by anyone, as he has no criminal plans. He is carrying a gun and/or knife, not because he intends to harm anyone but because it is common to do so when hiking in rural Indiana. There is no 'kill kit'. At some point during his hike he spots Libby and Abby. For reasons unknown he is triggered by them and starts having dark impulses. Without even thinking he starts following them towards the bridge, creeping them. He enjoys following them, like a predator stalking its prey. It makes him feel powerful and in control and he forgets about his troubles. When he catches up with the girls at the end of the bridge there is nowhere else for him, or the girls, to go. He senses they are afraid, which feeds his ego. He can see that noone else is around. He impulsively pulls his weapon on the girls "Guys". They freeze out of fear. He then orders them "down the hill" to whisk them out of sight. He has no plan or contingency for if one/both run, but he is lucky they comply. At this point he can't believe what he has just done. He didn't mean for this to happen but knows there is no turning back now. He is in a panic but since he knows the trails well enough he is able to find a secluded spot to finalize his attack on the girls. He murders them quickly (to silence the witnesses) but possibly brutally and exits the area as fast as possible.

    This is all JMO
     
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    MOO I think that is a very plausible explanation of the known facts, my one reservation is the clothes, MOO he isn't in his own clothes, so maybe he worked on plumbing in the morning and had a set of someone else stuff on. Or maybe he was planning something without fully admitting it to himself.
     
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