Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #111

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

    On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
    The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below


    HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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    HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
    https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

    Here is the old audio in a loop:

    http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

    FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.


    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.


    Pictures of Abby and Libby

    link to post with all threads 1-99 (courtesy of margarita25)

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    Thread #109 - Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #109
    Thread #110 - Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #110

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    DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.


    PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

    Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

    4) If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.
     
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  2. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    There is a lot to discuss in the Delphi case with all the very big developments.

    We have a very strong rule on Websleuths. Do not ask someone to PM you on a discussion thread. Why? You saw what happens on this thread. The thread was almost taken over by people saying "PM ME PM ME". We couldn't keep up with removing the posts.
    If you want someone to PM you then what you do is you PRIVATE MESSAGE THEM FIRST and ask them whatever.

    You do not stop the whole discussion and ask someone to PM you.

    We will be giving long time-outs to anyone who says they have the information they can only share in PM's or words to that effect.

    We call that "baiting" and it makes me crazy. It is so frustrating to try and get things under control when someone recklessly posts a cryptic post creating a frenzy of posts asking to be PM'd.
    Please be mindful of our rules.
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  3. kathryann

    kathryann Well-Known Member

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    Are there any people who are positively cleared?
     
  4. Misfitisland

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    I think if I were the killer I would have at the very least removed and destroyed the card from the phone. No way would I have taken any part of the phone with me but I would have made an attempt to destroy it. I'm sure he was watching them take pictures on the bridge before he approached them.
     
  5. Falling Down

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    My take on asking for info on the vehicle is LE needs at least one more eyewitness account of a vehicle at the CPS building, even if it's a vague description.

    JMO

    -FD
     
  6. on the case

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    Yes. I believe they are called balaclava's. I also think it has a distinctive skull design such as the marvel character the punisher or the overwatch video game the reaper. Jmo
     
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    Balaclavas (coming from a geographic name in Crimea and a war of XIX century) is different in that you can pull it off the head only in one piece. It is also very noticeable. Also, taking it off would lead to loss of several hairs.
    What I am talking about, Al-Amira, is a very tight skull cap, easily comcealable under any hat, and a scarf draping the face that can be also pulled on the face to cover it.

    It is meant to cover the hair and possibly, the face of a woman. It gives the opportunity to open the face off.

    In the BG’s guy, the situation is the opposite. With the hat and the parka on top of it, it looks like the regular scarf, if somewhat over draped. If BG wants to conceal the lower part of the face from the witnesses or victims, he pulls it over his mouth and nose.

    Why I think it might have been Al-Amira? Grainy as the video was, it seemed to me that his face was covered with a slim, elastic scarf. These headdresses are usually slim, elastic and versatile.
     
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    If they were scared/not scared, they could have videoed him directly on FB. Made a post. They didn’t. I wonder if it was a random video.
     
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    Am providing the MSM from 14 Feb 2017 that has Superintendent Briles statement about the girls that he gave to the school, for recapping, if necessary.

    Students, teachers cope with tragic news in Delphi

    Students, teachers cope with tragic news in Delphi


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    Full statement from Delphi Community Schools Supt. Gregory Briles:

    "It is with heavy hearts that the school corporation day comes to an end. It is our understanding that the two bodies found today are believed to of our 2 missing Delphi Community Middle School students.

    The Delphi Community School Corporation will continue operating on a regular schedule Wednesday February 15, 2017. We will be providing transportation to all students to and from school. We feel that in the best interest and safety of the students, a regular schedule is best. We will have the services of the local schools and their counselors available for the students and staff, as well as Local Grief Counselors, Wabash Valley Counseling Center Staff, Department of Child Services, Local Pastors and Ministers will be on hand to assist students through a very difficult situation.

    The Delphi United Methodist Church will open their doors to the community for support this evening at 7 p.m.

    Our thoughts and prayers go out to both families and those who are mourning the loss of these two young individuals as well as the individuals that spent the last 24 hours assisting in the search."
     
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    I disagree with this. I believe it would have drawn more attention to him. They mentioned a scarf at one time, but it hasn’t been brought up again because I think the witnesses proved to be unreliable. Not deceptive, just unreliable.
     
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    Riley also says that ISP weren't contacted till the next day. I thought they were contacted by CaCo and an Amber alert was denied by ISP on the 13th, so that cannot be correct if ISP weren't even contacted till the 14th.
     
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    He drives me nuts with his recollection. If you listen he also says April as the month. I wish they had someone speak who had their facts straight.
     
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    Maybe there wasn't a good signal on her phone.
     
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    Following new thread. Good luck LE... let's get an arrest!
     
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    Does anyone know if the family or LE has tried to get a psychic in on the case?
     
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    I can't remember where I read or heard this, but I think Libby was trying to video without him noticing and so did quick pan with the phone instead of standing there being obvious. I think her radar was going off wildly and she knew how isolated they were. She probably had a feeling "something" was going to happen and wanted to be able to show someone the weird man. By the time she realized it was going to be something really awful, he had control of them. Gives me chills to think of how scared they must have been.
     
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    Yes I heard that too. They do often mispeak, like the vehicle on the 14th when they meant the 13th. But that high number of searchers is incredible too. We heard dozens, then hundreds, now thousand (s). This was always my concern that the first night was completely disorganised, especially after LE stood down. Riley has now confirmed it.
     
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    Praying this is the thread that finally says "arrested."
     
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    Welcome Misfitland, i see you have only posted for the first time recently. We are not allowed to discuss anything on this subject as it is against TOS.
     
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    It's so disheartening to be on Thread #111. On the other hand, it shows how much and how many people care about seeing this case solved and justice served for Abby and Libby.

    That said, I wish I had the confidence that some of you have expressed in LE knowing who this is and needing just one small tip towards an arrest. But I don't. I really don't. I wouldn't say they are no closer to solving it than they were on Day 1, because hopefully they've eliminated some POIs, but this whole business with the sketches, the generic almost cliché FBI profiler language in the statements, etc, is hard to see as a sign of laser-focus knowledge of the perpetrator.

    I also don't believe that the girls were lured there by any one pretending to be someone else, etc. Given that they recovered Libby's phone, by now they would have discovered and tracked down any electronic leads, even if she were using apps like Kik. Compare the case MacKenzie Lueck, in which she met up with her killer for presumably a date, they were able to track that down all very quickly. I really think this was an opportunitistic, random killer, and one who perhaps was not at all tech savvy or even owned a cell phone.

    If he did have a phone, can't they use reverse pinging or tracking technology to check which cell phones were in the area during that time? Given the relatively low number of people in the area, and the fact that the crime happened in such a short time window, this to me indicates he probably did not have a phone. I hope that LE pursued this avenue though to find that out, and all cell phones in the vicinity have been tracked and accounted for.
     
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