Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #112

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  1. sunshineray

    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    No i didn't mean the NBG was a DNA based sketch. I meant that familial DNA testing on the killer's DNA sample led them to someone who actually favored the witness's account that the NBG sketch was based on. The sketch that was the actual first done but discarded for the composite OBG sketch.
     


  2. momma_k

    momma_k Well-Known Member

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    Apologies if I misspoke, as I have not been in that situation, but it's my understanding that they do. Perhaps it may just be those headed to the DOC. I will check on that. I do know that the possibility of the BG being held in County was already looked into extensively. There was an incident involving someone being held there after local gossip went to far. Again, huge apologies. I will definitely ask about that.
     
  3. momma_k

    momma_k Well-Known Member

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    I should have specified in the immediate area of the location, as in being able to capture the events that occured which was my understanding if the intention of the poster I replied to. Packers and Anderson's are in the generalish area, as the crow flies. Anderson's requires large amounts of storage, not necessarily a large employee base. I was speaking to the immediate area as in definitely able to capture anything on any security they may have. The area involved in this instance would not be involved in any line of sight of a business.

    As far as the other queries, they should not be commented on. I would say to go to the interviews to see what was released. They are available on here.
     
  4. MingyMoo

    MingyMoo Former Member

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    I agree with you 100%. She was quick thinking and on the ball for whatever reason. No one can take that away. I personally wouldn't ask LE to release anything they weren't comfortable with and simply assume rightly or wrongly they are lining all their Ducks up in a Row.
    • However as always I personally think some things should be open if ever the perpetrator comes to trial and is successfully convicted.
    • Although I would never mean harm or hurt to those involved. I do think it is correct to let people know what happened so as they can recognise it again should it happen.
    FFS the bloke could have flipped because the girls were at the wrong place at the wrong time disturbed his quiet contemplation whilst he was quietly assessing his own life. We just do not know what his motive was. It could be anything from sexual gratification, to wrong place wrong time you recognise me I need you gone and anything possible in between.

    My personal opinion is I really do think these young Ladies were in the wrong place at the wrong time and the perpetrator is one hell of a selfish coward & SOB forgive my language.

    MM
     
  5. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Former Member

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    Ok so the perp could theoretically be from Logansport, Peru, Lebanon or Lafayette as a few examples ? ( We had searches early on in Peru and Lebanon also.) Would "local" include Kokomo and Franfort too I wonder? That's a lot of people considered as local, for sure.
     
  6. momma_k

    momma_k Well-Known Member

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    I agree. No need to apologise for language. I have many other more colorful words to use. And again agreed. While I respect LE, there is something to be said for releasing at least a bit more information. One, I could definitely go into more detail here and that discussion could possibly help end this. Two, human nature is to speculate. With so little to go on, speculations can actually be more damaging to the family than the truth released. That was certainly the case here for quite awhile. I know folks involved in the search, etc. And it is quite difficult for them to not correct all of the speculators. It's just down right complicated.

    I am literally watching every word I say. I am by no means an expert, and I am only trying to help. I've already learned a few lessons in just a few hours. You all are very thorough, and pick up on even small nuances. I have to be very careful about every word, and apologize in advance for anything I have said or will say that may be perceived out of the context it was intended. I am merely a very concerned citizen, trying to do what I consider to be my responsibility as not only a citizen of Delphi, but if the world. If everyone cared as much as the folks on here, the world would be a very different place. Kudos to you all.
     
  7. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Former Member

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    "As far as the other queries" - i don't get what you mean, they shouldn't be commented on? That's what we are here for IMO to comment, discuss and speculate.

    Did you see my PC questions? You may have answered so apologies if you have I am trying to catch up on posts.
     
  8. momma_k

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    I think you are completely missing the intent of the content and information.
     
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  9. Blueberry2720

    Blueberry2720 Today would be a fine day for an arrest.

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    Momma_k, LE has said there is a "twist" in this case. Do you or anyone else local have a hunch what it is? I have one theory, but it based on my POI.
     
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    momma_k Well-Known Member

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    Meaning all information that should be is out there. I'm quickly learning that some people draw too many conclusions from simple statements, as well as miss the entire point and intent of a comment
     
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  11. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Former Member

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    That's interesting TY. I didn't realise they were so sought after. I have a couple of POI's who like morel hunting and were possibly at the trail that day so I wanted to find out a bit.
     
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  12. tresir2012

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    Sorry if I have missed your points but for a long time we have been told certain things so perhaps you will understand me wanting to clarify, especially about the swabbing of all those going to jail and some other points you have stated.
     
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    February would be a ridiculous time to hunt. They are either newbies or not really hunting. It is well known by anyone who hunts that is way too early. Warm or not. The ground would still be too cold.
     
  14. momma_k

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    I apologised for that statement being wrong. I was told that and should have verified. After verifying, those headed to the DOC are.
     
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  15. Charlot123

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    I read @momma_k ’s posts and thought, my theory of the Monon bridge being the place of spy rendezvous, goes up in ashes, lol. Because the Delphians think it is the local person. However, with Google maps, one can find the bridge, and get there, if someone needs it for whatever reason.

    I still can’t imagine that if the LE have enough DNA, they can’t find the person. There are lots of things one can do with DNA alone to narrow down the perp. And if Gedmatch doesn’t have the person’s relatives, there are similar sites in other countries, all the LE need is ask for collaboration. No one wants a killer to stay free. And if the guy was that stupid as @momma_k implies, to leave ample DNA, something doesn’t fit.
     
  16. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Former Member

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    In a recent murder case, WhatsApp messages have been retrieved going back 90 days completely unknown to the perps that it was possible. They had used it for their murder plans and believed it was 'safe'. The knowledge of what can and cannot be retrieved is not public knowledge regarding many of these apps and certainly i did not know that was possible till i read it here on WS.
     
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  17. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    @momma_k , respectfully, maybe things are not that straightforward. Your first post implored the person who had a new POI to call the LE. The rest sounded like the LE had the case, they only needed it to be airtight.

    These two parts are conflicting. Either LE need to tighten the case against the suspect, or they need to find one.

    You know where the problem lies? Someone may read your later posts and think, oh, they have a suspect, all Delphi knows who he is, the LE are working on the case, he is local, so my own POI who lives in Kentucky is unrelated...and not call. And yet I feel from the tone of your post that the LE would appreciate new leads.

    So your first few posts, and the rest, don’t match. I personally think that people should call with leads, but it needs to be emphasized.
     
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  18. sunshineray

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    I personally think the DNA was either from under one of the girls fingernails or a molestation of some kind occured and it's touch DNA.
     
  19. tresir2012

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    Presumably that would also be LE's analysis when saying he is from Delphi or works there or visits. So they also would take a 30 mile radius from the crime scene and class the perp as local to Delphi if he comes from within that circle. MOO
     
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    If they have DNA, then why no match? He is maybe not already in Codis, he may not be in the ancestry sites either. Or they are bluffing that they have DNA at all or it can only be traced to a maternal line. Are there other possibilities?
     
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