Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #114

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  1. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Former Member

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    Welcome to WS. This has been discussed as you say, many times since April 2019.
     
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    Kittybunny Well-Known Member

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    Soooooo….what ever happened with the pizza shop owner who was arrested? One would think that at this point he would be ruled in or out, and since we have heard nothing, I'm going to guess ruled out or inconclusive. Which again supports my personal theory that they don't have DNA or if they do, it is not conclusive either because of the quality of it or the type (touch vs direct bodily fluid). This case is beyond frustrating.
     
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    Im sure this has been discussed before, but Gray Hughes presented a theory, that isnt genius, but laid out in a way that really seemed possible/probable.

    He suggests Abby and Libby werent far on the bridge at all when they see BG approaching them. They keep looking back and he is still coming, and still coming. And youd have to wonder, being a kid on that bridge, why is he still coming this way? Why is he so motivated? Why is he so motivated? He's just hustling across and it must have been freaky. So Libby pulls out her phone, keeps it down low (no it was not selfie mode) as he keeps coming.

    Gray then speculates that BG is holding a gun in his hand, under his jacket, and soon after the released video ends is the "Guys". Then BG walks past them at the end of the bridge. Libby is at the end, Abby behind her, because she is scared, he steps behind them after saying "hey guys" then he pulls out the gun and says "get down the hill." Then he aims with the gun the direction to go, and they go. And he is sure the camera is still recording the video which would only be useful audio at that point.
     
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    ^^^^ I'm afraid that is just a rookie guess on your part ^^^ Nobody here knows what LE has and doesn't have. . that's a fact.
     
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    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    After DG called BP and told her LG wasn't answering her phone. I believe BP also rang/texted LG's phone possibly between the 3:14 and 3:30 time frame. Does anyone know exactly when BP's first communication to Libby's phone was?
     
  6. LunaticFringe

    LunaticFringe I know you're out there...

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    I've never heard Gray say that the girls weren't far on the bridge when BG was approaching.They were at the end of the south side when he came upon them.It's evident in the video's he has done as well.
     
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    Sorry, allow me to clarify...he says they werent far when they first saw him approaching them on the bridge....then a few minutes later suggests about halfway...then they walked to the end....where BG caught up with them, and hes 20 yards away when Libby begins filming.
     
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    Here's why I don't think she zoomed in. Assuming the girls were right off the end of the bridge, BG was only about 60 feet away, according to GH's measurements (which I agree with). I've stepped that distance off and looked through my phone's camera. Zooming in at that distance would make it much harder to capture him in the frame, especially if she was trying to be somewhat discreet about it. JMO, of course. :)
     
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    If the Snapchat picture time is correct as 2:07 pm then they were at least to platform three by the time BG made his move. I agree he then cornered them at the end of the bridge. I agree with those that think he knew the area very well even he cruised regularly looking for target rich areas.
     
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    So why wasn't he in the 2.07 p.m. SC photo then?

    Could you link to the GH source video you are quoting from so we can view it?
     
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    tresir2012 Former Member

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    I think as you say, when she didn't answer DG called BP to tell her they weren't at the pick up and Libby wasn't answering so BP called straightaway (from 3.15 onwards) and kept calling and it kept going to answerphone from then on. MOO.
     
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    I also have questions in my mind about the phone ringing and then going dead right then. One thing that gives me pause is that DG said he first called her at 3:11, then again at 3:14. If the phone's ringer was turned on, BG would have heard the first call, too, wouldn't he? And stomped on it, or tossed it into the water, or something then. IDK

    I also wonder if all the SCing, videoing, and recording the girls did that day didn't use up most the batteries, and those incoming calls just used up the rest. Coincidental, yes...
     
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    following some more.

    when will they get their man??!!
     
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    Marking spot
     
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    tresir2012 Former Member

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    This is a Gray Hughes early video of the flow of the crime. It is very good at demonstrating where the girls were, where the suspect was and how to get to the crime scene. The topography of the area is also well demonstrated.

    Not too long either. Music is a bit spooky.
     
  16. MJPeony

    MJPeony SF Bay Area

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    Yeah, it just seems too coincidental to me. The timing was so so very precise. Happens to go dead right after her Dad has just been calling her.

    As for why BG didn’t deal with it (power off, crush it, etc) after the first call at 3:11, IMO it’s either because he wasn’t physically able to- maybe still in the process of killing- or he didn’t care if it rang once, only once it was clear someone was trying to reach her did it concern him.

    I’ve gone back and forth so many times with my theories with this case, but one thing I come back to is the possibility BG was still at the crime scene right as DG was arriving to get the girls. (No need for us to rehash the minute by minute timeline to try to figure out how much time he had, etc.... I think we’ve established it would be a very tight timeline but certainly possible).

    Anyway, IMO it’s not a coincidence the phone powered off/lost the battery at the time it did.

    All MOO.
     
  17. tresir2012

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    Yeah I think so. What time did FSG see BG?
     
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    Does anyone think it could be a good idea for LE to do a reconstruction ? This is very popular in some countries.
     
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    I forgot all about him.
     
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    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome.

    I agree he looks and sounds like an older man.
     
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