Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #116

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  1. ACE422

    ACE422 Well-Known Member

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    I have considered this same scenario. Since it is such a small community, it is also pretty common to know when neighbors or certain community members may be out of town. I do feel certain the responsible person(s) is/are local to the area and have a strong suspicion that someone who knows “something” is in a position to be able to influence the direction of the investigation. MOO
     


  2. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    About being different, the list could be infinite. You add what you think.
    - Someone gained or lost a lot of weight.
    - Someone very clean and with a keen sense of fashion becomes disheveled, malodorous and uncaring about his looks
    - Someone is very pale because he is spending a lot of time at home.
    - Someone talkative became silent and withdrawn.
    - Someone social, funny and gregarious became very isolated.
    - Someone merely looks depressed, or ill.
    - A womanizer became a homebody.
    - Someone is drinking or into drugs. This would be very common.
    - Someone became sober and goes to AA.
    - Someone who was a "bad boy" is now into religion and became altruistic.

    (My personal guess? This dude is slowly drinking himself into his grave. Maybe this is what he should keep on doing, only not to forget to leave a confession on his death bed. Historically, the most typical way to cope with suddenly awaken conscience. War criminals often discovered religion during trials, so this is not excluded, either).

    But if anything, this "someone" was well-known. And I presume, the change is negative, but not necessarily bad (that a narcissistic person who was all about himself is now depressed and drinking - this at least could indicate some pangs of remorse; and it means that he is not in denial of what he has done).

    On the other hand, DC's hint is meant for the relatives, partners, or friends. The change is so visible that everyone has noticed it. This tells me that the person used to be in the public eye. That he stands out somehow. Because someone must have told DC, oh, such-and-such? Just look at him.

    Kelsi was taken aback by the question. For a second, she hesitated. And then said, no, and about the change. To me, it meant, she definitely did not think the person was SK and she definitely had her own POI.

    To add: since I don't exclude two people involved, the one who is the smarter, the mastermind, might have changed way more than the one who was the passive follower.
     
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    insearchoflight Well-Known Member

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    I agree here. I think if they were able to obtain BG’s DNA from the crime scene, he isn’t on file and his family members are also not on file or any genealogical database. I think this will go like so many cold cases unsolved until BG gets his DNA on record for another offense or a family member happens to get his/hers on record or put theirs on an ancestry type site.
     
  4. ACE422

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    What made me wonder what all was captured on audio was LE claim that it was over quickly and DC stating “paraphrasing from memory) that he would always think about what the girls went through, especially last 30 minutes of their life . MOO
     
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    After looking at the image[​IMG] of the Bridge Guy taken by Libby German, I think he will be someone who resembles the actor William David Daniels, who used to play the surgeon on St. Elsewhere in the 1980's. [​IMG]
     
  6. Hansen

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    I agree. Not to be negative but I think this case is slowly becoming cold. Is it possible LE has the giant case we don’t know about and waiting for a break? Yes it is. It’s also possible they have pieces to this but nothing concrete. “Guys, down the hill” has only spawned thousands of ideas of people’s guesses on dialect etc. the video/pic is so grainy you can’t make it out. Let’s hope for the best.
     
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    I think this is a highly likely scenario, if the crime was targeted. I don't know if the girls knew who they would be meeting, but I do think they had some idea they could meet up with someone there. They may not have known that the person whose cover they could blow was meeting them there - but they may have been set up by him. But he may have planned it to punish them for potentially outing his abuse of some other victim(s).


     
  9. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Maybe they used DNA to create the sketch and just made it younger or older based on witness testimony only or the BG video .
     
  10. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    I do think there is a real possibility this could be the motive for the murders. MOO
     
  11. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    The only thing that I think explains the "you may be in the room" comment is if BG has communicated to LE in some way.
     
  12. cryssyx3

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    just had a quick idea, perhaps it was sorta like a reverse catfish if you will. instead of someone seeing their post on social media and going to the bridge, maybe the cute, popular, athletic older boy posted about some gathering or party at the bridge and the girls wanted to go. "hey let's look at Johnny's Facebook, he's so cute!!.... oh look the seniors are going to the trails..."

    jmo
     
  13. JudgeJudi

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    Anything is possible, but I think it's more likely they were looking for the murder weapon in the creek.

    Mike Patty told Gray Hughes, "I was getting ready to jump in the creek one day. I had a pair of shorts and tennis shoes. I was gonna go walking and FBI and State Police came up in the area and they said, “No, Mr Patty, we’re gonna be walking that. We’ve got underwater sonar, gyroscopes or something, you know, under water metal detecting capabilities and cameras and stuff”. He said, “We’re gonna walk this whole thing”.
     
  14. Ozoner

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    I don't believe for one second that BG has any pangs of conscience. I also don't think that the change in BG (if he has changed) is negative.
    The most likely change is this: he used to show signs of anger and the potential for violence, but now he's the most well-adjusted, most content, most affable, most easy-going young man in town. People are remarking upon how much he's matured and are starting to talk about him as a future community leader; women are encouraging their daughters to try to catch his eye.
    The change is a facade, of course, designed to ensure that no one could consider him capable of his heinous, brutal crime. In attempting to project the public image that he wants to cultivate, he will likely have overdone it. A rare few may sense his lack of sincerity, but most will be completely fooled.
     
  15. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Stand up for what is right even if you stand alone

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    DBM I need my first cup of Joe before I post...
    MOO
     
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    Every time i see close ups of the condition of the bridge, im shocked there isnt more injuries or accidental deaths there. Looks so narrow and so hazardous.
     
  17. Falling Down

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    Interesting he brings up the teacher angle. I've wondered about this, and why people keep bringing it up.

    I've never thought BG is some guy on the fringe with no job and nobody in his life. I've thought this is someone who has a life and career path, maybe even a family, but whose sinister side lies right below the surface.

    Most government employees had that day off in the state of Illinois, and I've wondered since very early on if there's a connection with that state in this case.

    JMO
     
  18. MingyMoo

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    I have to say only at the begining did I think BG was no job type person and had nobody in his life. As time has passed I have become to think he is well embedded in the local community I don't just mean Delphi I mean surrounding areas. Hes probably into everything.

    MingMoo
     
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  19. Ibiz

    Ibiz Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

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    Possibly a mailman?
     
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  20. MingyMoo

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    Well must admit I didn't think of that but I suppose anyone any trade or position is likely.

    MM
     
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