Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #116

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  1. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    About DNA. First, to my surprise, I found that a science teacher taught criminology classes at Delphi High. So I would say, all students at school who were interested could have had that knowledge.

    Second, there are tons of online Q/A about getting rid of the DNA. The LE knows what the perp did. I don’t. But it is not difficult to find the answer he followed and find out who visited that site. I think. I assume nothing is secret online.
     


  2. BNA

    BNA Well-Known Member

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    "We're NOT stopping." Why would he even need to say this at this point? Something is not right.

    Also, "just...getting...started...." Well, the investigation is only a week old at that point, iirc. WTF. Already portraying it as a poor picture.

    This little speech was absolutely loony.
     
  3. Ellie1

    Ellie1 Well-Known Member

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    I know there has been a lot of discussion around familial DNA testing and people submitting and opting in for that, because there have been no hits in CODIS so far.

    There is also a backlog of close to 5000 untested rape kits in Indiana alone (http://www.endthebacklog.org/indiana), never mind surrounding states and the rest of the country. I know we don't know whether SA was part of this crime, but it's safe to say that there's a solid possibility BG has committed some kind of SA at some point. What if his DNA is sitting in an untested rape kit somewhere, all the answers just in a box gathering dust? I feel there should really be a big push to start testing rape kits that are sitting on a shelf. So many times, untested rape kits are tested and solve other crimes when they hit on DNA that previously had no match.
     
  4. Tiger Stripes

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    Same here! Went to the backyard, past a clump of tall oaks and hickory trees, past a clearing, then... there was the river and a thick woods -- so lovely to explore! No paths -- just natural brush/undergrowth. Every afternoon after school -- my sweet spot! Time to enjoy trees, leaves, skies, birds and bird songs, and watching little critters scurrying around with no fear of anyone there... Every now and then trout leaping up for a fly...
     
  5. Kudzuu

    Kudzuu Well-Known Member

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    snipped by me.

    I stated earlier that Abby looked "dolled up" compared to other pictures. Her hair was up, she wore a close fitting top. My opinion. She looked older dressing this way not in a tee shirt and pony tail..it could mean nothing...Also her mother said she'd never consent to her being on the bridge so there is that as well. MOO
     
  6. Cutiekitty

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    They did say they were on to something early on though. You start out looking close to home then branch out, which they did. Maybe they realized their first track was the right track.
     
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  7. Tiger Stripes

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    (SBM for focus)

    @taximama24, I know that in late May of this year/early June there were some WS-ers who were discussing the possibilities of this crime's being drug-related. Yours is a good (though not often discussed) theory!

    As one who grew up in the Midwest (and who is currently Midwest-based), I would say that, while there are "pockets" of illicit drug activity in the Midwest, I truly do not believe that the Midwest is more a "drug haven" than any other part of the country. (This, in defense of those not familiar as looong-time residents of the Midwest -- specifically, those who perhaps have never had the opportunity to live/work in one of the small-town places for which the Midwest is famous -- and for which the Midwest is sometimes -- a LOT! -- humorously poked at! :))

    There are still many excellent small towns in the Midwest to live, work, raise a family, to retire, and especially to grow up as a young person -- all while exploring the woods, trails, fishing spots, and natural resources -- without any encounters with criminals! More likely encounters with 'possums, squirrels, and a few skunks (4-legged ones ;))! (And no -- I don't work for any local Midwest chambers of commerce! LOL)
     
  8. FromGermany

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    Unfortunately I can't view videos for more than a few minutes (laptop gets overheating). So I can't follow like I would want to do. :(
     
  9. ScumbagTrav

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    That sucks. Because transcripts dont do it justice imo. Gray Hughes, on his shows, has actually edited out DCs long awkward pauses to make him sound more competent when he speaks.
     
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    Rural Indiana is well known for being a hotbed of meth activity.
    Meth.IN.gov: Statistics
     

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  11. distracted

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    It was Liberty's grandmother who said that the girls had been asking to go for a few days. She also said that she had asked Abby to get permission from her mom but she didn't, as it turns out.

    Kelsi may have addressed it, too, at some point since she was the one who offered to take them that day because her grandmother was working.
     
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    After watching that early PC, I tend to agree with you. It would explain why they told the public they didn't think anyone else was in danger.

    If LE thought initially that it was drug related - and may still think this is the case - it would also explain why they didn't think it was random or may involve more than one person. LE may have had reason to think it involved a drug operation that crossed state or county lines. And along this thinking, it would explain the ongoing presence of the FBI as well as the billboards that went up outside of Delphi.

    And then something happened that turned the case upside down and necessitated the April 2019 PC.
     
  13. sunshineray

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    In your last paragraph, I could see the reverse also being true. Young killers have been known to methodically and calmly plan a killing, while older killers have been know to be out of control angry, savage in their killing. I think it could go either way.
     
  14. sunshineray

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    I think because things were done by the killer, at the scene, to destroy DNA evidence and probably some staging was also done.
     
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    Those untested rape kits tell me that women have no value to society and rape is ok. Women need to unite on this issue. moo
     
  16. stattlich1

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    Crazy thing is, they said darn near the same things at the April, 2019 presser....."We are just beginning. We are just now beginning, and I can tell you on behalf of The Sheriff and The Police Chief, and so many other partners that have stood with us over this period of time, that we will NOT stop!"

    At that April presser, it is also stated that the voice recording is ONE persons voice, and IS the voice of the person ON THE BRIDGE....."the person talking is one person and is the person on the bridge with the girls. This is NOT two different people speaking"

    Now THAT is interesting, because.....somehow they KNOW it to be true. So the question for me is, HOW? How do they know without doubt that the person's voice on that cell phone is the person on the bridge?
     
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    In my mind's eye, real men to stand up for this behind women, too.

    JMO
     
  18. Falling Down

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    At that age I wish I'd had the freedom those girls had. I can see being a young teen pestering someone to take me to a cool place like that on an unseasonably mild day during Winter here in Indiana, I would have done the same in Upstate, NY, where I'm from.

    Kelsi just happens to be the person who took them to the drop off point near the bridge, and DG was supposed to pick them up. Such an innocent thing to do, two kids on an unseasonably mild February Monday off from school.

    Then they came across BG.
     
  19. neesaki

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    I could be confused, or missed something here.So, I’ll just ask for clarification, are you referencing the latest presser, the one from the one year or so anniversary? Or a way early one from the tine of the murders.
    Thats what I’m confused about, because he did state we’re just starting, in the later presser.Which meant, I assume, they have new info.... TIA
     
  20. BNA

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    Week after murders presser. Introductory presser, when so very many LE stood behind DC as he spoke.** Not the later one, when only Tobe was standing behind him. That is all. Today, on viewing the first, I finally understood that about the second.

    **He used the just getting started phrase in that first one, as well
     
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